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Disney Genie, Genie+ officially introduced along with confirmed details of how it will work

TikibirdLand

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I don't hope it's a train wreck of epic proportions.

A lot of us will be there during this and would like to have a good trip. Been a long time coming! 😀

Oh I am in the same boat.
Will be hoping for the best for both of you and your families. I wouldn't want to be the first to use this app. Although, you might be able to play the "glitch" card to get on ROTR 😉
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Say an extra prayer for ops. If those attractions don’t run… Though, I can already see the defenses here. “No one forced you to pay for the service”. Something akin to “No one is guaranteed a spot on ROTR”.
If there are problems, I do not think Disney saying no one forced you pay for the service is going to work as an excuse.

There is an expectation that something you pay for will work. Lets see what happens...
 

SteveAZee

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What they will get is millions of dollars in added revenue.
Not sure if this math is correct, but if there are 20M guests a year and only 10% opt for Genie+, that's 2M people at $15 a pop, or $30M a year. I'm curious if they have either target revenue or target acceptance that they'll be massaging over the next few months as people move into the system.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Not sure if this math is correct, but if there are 20M guests a year and only 10% opt for Genie+, that's 2M people at $15 a pop, or $30M a year. I'm curious if they have either target revenue or target acceptance that they'll be massaging over the next few months as people move into the system.
I expect opt in to be higher than 10%. And MK alone would account for roughly 20M a year.

…. and then think about the individual attraction purchase option.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
I expect opt in to be higher than 10%. And MK alone would account for roughly 20M a year.

…. and then think about the individual attraction purchase option.
I also assume the number would be quite a bit higher, but I think we can all agree that 30 million could be referred to as "millions"
 

DisneyDodo

Well-Known Member
If there are problems, I do not think Disney saying no one forced you pay for the service is going to work as an excuse.

There is an expectation that something you pay for will work. Lets see what happens...
I think Disney will be very lenient about refunds until they get all the kinks worked out. Even if they end up refunding every single G+ purchase for the first month of operation (they won’t go that far), this is a brand new revenue stream with minimal incremental costs that they will tap into for decades to come.

Would be kinda sad for the people who don’t but G+ though if a bunch of other people are cutting them in line ultimately for free.
 

Parker in NYC

Well-Known Member
If there are problems, I do not think Disney saying no one forced you pay for the service is going to work as an excuse.

There is an expectation that something you pay for will work. Lets see what happens...

Don’t get it twisted. People will defend it.
Plenty of people have said they paid to go to a theme park to ride ROTR only to be told that no one forced them to do it.
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
Not sure if this math is correct, but if there are 20M guests a year and only 10% opt for Genie+, that's 2M people at $15 a pop, or $30M a year. I'm curious if they have either target revenue or target acceptance that they'll be massaging over the next few months as people move into the system.
WDW averages about 60mm guests per year (MK is about 20mm of that 60mm)..........so 20% would be 12mm x $15 = $180mm in revenue and that would be just for Genie+, not including Paid LL passes
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
Not sure if this math is correct, but if there are 20M guests a year and only 10% opt for Genie+, that's 2M people at $15 a pop, or $30M a year. I'm curious if they have either target revenue or target acceptance that they'll be massaging over the next few months as people move into the system.
The Halloween and Christmas parties are another revenue source that they have created recently.........MK averages 57k people per day..............Lets say the parties sell 25% of that average in order to keep the lines low, so about 15,000 tickets per event............There are 28 dates for the Christmas party this year alone (14 in Nov 2021 and 14 in Dec 2021) at an average cost of approximately $189 per person (range is $169 to $249)

Heres that math:

15,000 people x 28 events = 420,000 people total for Christmas party alone....multiply that by $189 (ave cost per person) and thats $80mm for the Christmas party

The halloween party is less expensive but yields about another $60mm

So WDW has taken away hours from regular day guests tickets and replaced it with these "after hours" events and they generate about $140mm in additional revenue per year
 

Jeff4272

Well-Known Member
The Halloween and Christmas parties are another revenue source that they have created recently.........MK averages 57k people per day..............Lets say the parties sell 25% of that average in order to keep the lines low, so about 15,000 tickets per event............There are 28 dates for the Christmas party this year alone (14 in Nov 2021 and 14 in Dec 2021) at an average cost of approximately $189 per person (range is $169 to $249)

Heres that math:

15,000 people x 28 events = 420,000 people total for Christmas party alone....multiply that by $189 (ave cost per person) and thats $80mm for the Christmas party

The halloween party is less expensive but yields about another $60mm

So WDW has taken away hours from regular day guests tickets and replaced it with these "after hours" events and they generate about $140mm in additional revenue per year
Except this year so far since nobody is buying the Christmas Party tickets.....Looks like WDW might have finally priced something too high

Not 1 Christmas party has sold out yet
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Don’t get it twisted. People will defend it.
Plenty of people have said they paid to go to a theme park to ride ROTR only to be told that no one forced them to do it.
I know there will be folks who will defend Disney no matter what.

I also remember the line for Guest Services winding down main street when they cancelled one of two parades during the Christmas party to get their money they paid for the party back.

There will be folks who will demand their Genie + and/or Lightning Lane money back.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I think Disney will be very lenient about refunds until they get all the kinks worked out. Even if they end up refunding every single G+ purchase for the first month of operation (they won’t go that far), this is a brand new revenue stream with minimal incremental costs that they will tap into for decades to come.

Would be kinda sad for the people who don’t but G+ though if a bunch of other people are cutting them in line ultimately for free.

Lets hope they are lenient and let's hope that the system is perhaps smart enough to credit your account for G+ and LL mishaps. I know, I know, that is far too optimistic...
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
I know there will be folks who will defend Disney no matter what.

I also remember the line for Guest Services winding down main street when they cancelled one of two parades during the Christmas party to get their money they paid for the party back.

There will be folks who will demand their Genie + and/or Lightning Lane money back.
I see it more on the individual attraction selections than Genie+. Genie+ will never guarantee any attraction - much like MaxPass at DL. That's a very different thing than if you buy RotR but then you can't ride it because it's down. Disney probably has provisions to automatically offer you a different time or refund in that case...
 

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