Disney asks Congress to butt out of business travel

Wilt Dasney

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Original Poster
I think the letter is (probably mostly) BS, after giving it a little thought.

First of all, saying that businesses with no hands in the bailout till are canceling legit travel is an easy thing to say, but what proof can you really give? It's hard for me to imagine a hotel agent asking a client why his company is cancelling their weekend pow-wow and being told that the PRIMARY reason (as opposed to something just mentioned in the conversation) is because they don't want to be made fun of on C-SPAN.

Secondly, if these companies are cancelling legitimate trips because of populist-talking reps and senators, they're just too darn sensitive. All of the criticism I've heard from Congress has been aimed at companies that DID take the money, and have thus fully earned the right to be criticized for how they're spending it. So far (and let me know if I've missed it), I have yet to hear anybody in Washington criticize a company that isn't being subsidized by taxpayers for its travel expense sheet. Yeah, there's a lot of general talk about "corporate greed" and whatnot, but are you telling me that's enough to make people with MBA's cancel their trips? They know how politics works, and they know a lot of it is just blowing enough smoke to make the people back home happy.

So I'm not buying the argument that businesses are canceling travel because of "rhetoric." That's just stupid to me, and makes businesspeople sound like children who hole up in their rooms because they can't figure out whether mommy or daddy is really mad at them.

No, the "rhetoric" business is, I suspect, just an obligatory public show of solidarity that's just as meaningless and hollow as the alternative talk coming from Capitol Hill. It's BS, essentially, albeit BS that's an important part of the public posturing that needs to take place here.

I still think the only part of the letter that REALLY matters is the bit toward the end, where the execs ask Congress not to mandate new regulations for business travel and basically let businesses police themselves. That's where they know they could take a REAL hit that would be lasting and significant, depending on what the rules are. The rest is just fluff designed to get people to take sides. Based on this thread, it seems to have done the job. ;)
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
I think the letter is (probably mostly) BS, after giving it a little thought.

First of all, saying that businesses with no hands in the bailout till are canceling legit travel is an easy thing to say, but what proof can you really give? It's hard for me to imagine a hotel agent asking a client why his company is cancelling their weekend pow-wow and being told that the PRIMARY reason (as opposed to something just mentioned in the conversation) is because they don't want to be made fun of on C-SPAN.

Secondly, if these companies are cancelling legitimate trips because of populist-talking reps and senators, they're just too darn sensitive. All of the criticism I've heard from Congress has been aimed at companies that DID take the money, and have thus fully earned the right to be criticized for how they're spending it. So far (and let me know if I've missed it), I have yet to hear anybody in Washington criticize a company that isn't being subsidized by taxpayers for its travel expense sheet. Yeah, there's a lot of general talk about "corporate greed" and whatnot, but are you telling me that's enough to make people with MBA's cancel their trips? They know how politics works, and they know a lot of it is just blowing enough smoke to make the people back home happy.

So I'm not buying the argument that businesses are canceling travel because of "rhetoric." That's just stupid to me, and makes businesspeople sound like children who hole up in their rooms because they can't figure out whether mommy or daddy is really mad at them.

No, the "rhetoric" business is, I suspect, just an obligatory public show of solidarity that's just as meaningless and hollow as the alternative talk coming from Capitol Hill. It's BS, essentially, albeit BS that's an important part of the public posturing that needs to take place here.

I still think the only part of the letter that REALLY matters is the bit toward the end, where the execs ask Congress not to mandate new regulations for business travel and basically let businesses police themselves. That's where they know they could take a REAL hit that would be lasting and significant, depending on what the rules are. The rest is just fluff designed to get people to take sides. Based on this thread, it seems to have done the job. ;)
That is a very good point about the last section of the letter.

However, public opinion is very low regarding anything that is seen as a perk in large corporations. Unfortunately, "travel" is a perk to most Americans and distinguishing between essential and non-essential it not really important, as we have seen in this very thread.
 

AZDISNEYDVL

Member
Well.....as someone who works in the hospitality industry, I can tell you, yes they are cancelling because of fear. They fear that if they have these meetings and need money in the future, they will not recieve it because of the meetings. All this talk about partying is nonsense as well. Very few groups I have come in contact with (and it has been many) use the facilities as their party headquarters. Very few utilize the golf course, upscale restaurant (at least $100 per person without wine pairing), bars, spa, or any other of the many activities available to them due to the meetings they MUST attend. I feel as if many who are condemning these trips only take trips associated with vacations so they associate any trip involving a hotel/resort in vegas, orlando, arizona, or california as a non-stop party. If that were the case then everyone would want to work in hospitality because we would all be rich. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Please separate your feelings from your rash decisions and think about the far reaching consequences of huge job losses in the hospitality industry caused by the current negativity.
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
Please separate your feelings from your rash decisions and think about the far reaching consequences of huge job losses in the hospitality industry caused by the current negativity.

However the "negativity" that this letter speaks of from the government is not the source of the hospitality indutries problems - the state of the economy as a whole is to blame. In case the companies listed on this letter haven't noticed - the state of the economy is currently having negative consequesnces on just about every industry, not just them.
 

notrub125

New Member
What the heck is "recognition travel"??? Is that where bailed out companies like AIG and such still send their executives and salesmen on lavish trips to resort hotels after they take my hard earned tax dollars?

If it is, Disney should be ashamed of being associated with such slimy and trashy behavior as that. If my tax dollars are going towards bailed out companies sending their employees to Walt Disney World for "recognition travel", then I would be furious. And Congress and the impacted companies have every right in the world to back away from slimy behavior like that.

"Recognition travel" indeed! Disney shouldn't be associating itself with that type of distasteful behavior. :mad:

Recognition Travel is USUALLY travel that employees have earned thru preformance. This money is usually part of a company budget and Im sure will be cut to next to nothing in the coming future. Im sure its a hard thing for people to understand but this is actually a good thing for companies to spend money on.
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
However the "negativity" that this letter speaks of from the government is not the source of the hospitality indutries problems - the state of the economy as a whole is to blame. In case the companies listed on this letter haven't noticed - the state of the economy is currently having negative consequesnces on just about every industry, not just them.


Correct.... but why keep the economy on a downward spin by continuing to inject fear. A representative of the industry was testifying on capital hill this week, and I am sure it was tied to this letter. People are afraid of spending their personal income out of fear of where the economy is going. Companies that are doing well, can still afford to travel and have offsite meetings and conventions.... but if the government is injecting resentment of corporate America for spending on travel, then companies are likely to cut back..... thus continuing the ripple effect across the economy as a whole.
 

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