Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not going to get into the specifics as it gets into topics we’re not to talk about on this site, but there is plenty evidence to indicate the speculation being founded. All one has to do and look surrounding incidents in recent years regarding a topic both actresses are involved in, especially incidents involving movies one was screening.

So it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read between the lines of Disney wanting to “prevent more backlash” as also including safety as one of the reasons.

…so chalk another one up to the rage network, huh?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You actually believe that? When was the last violent movie premiere?

That’s become the new “vast anti-Disney conspiracy” whenever they lay an egg

 

[Disney Irish]

…so chalk another one up to the rage network, huh?

Actually no, nothing to do with anti-Disney. If you’re not aware of other topics involved here you haven’t been paying attention.

Not everything is Disney related.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Actually no, nothing to do with anti-Disney. If you’re not aware of other topics involved here you haven’t been paying attention.

Not everything is Disney related.

…ummmmm…didn’t I stumble over to NPR this morning?

 

[Tha Realest]

As for the speculation regarding safety as being a reason (note I said a reason never said it was the only reason), that is something that is obvious considering the topics both lead actresses find themselves tied to and the potential violence that follows it.

I’m glad you at least concede this is speculative on your part. None of the articles I’ve read have said the safety of the actors was a factor; rather, the pared back media events have been to mitigate the self-destructive PR tendencies of the leads (though, notably, they had no problem putting Gadot on GMA while Zegler is doing meet and greets with small groups of fans in Tokyo).

 

[CaptJackSparrow]

I’m not going to get into the specifics as it gets into topics we’re not to talk about on this site, but there is plenty evidence to indicate the speculation being founded. All one has to do and look surrounding incidents in recent years regarding a topic both actresses are involved in, especially incidents involving movies one was screening.

So it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read between the lines of Disney wanting to “prevent more backlash” as also including safety as one of the reasons.

I tried searching the internet to see if I could find any mention of safety being a concern, and I couldn’t.

What I did find was that Disney was simply scaling back the amount of press allowed to be there and engage with the titular stars. So unless you think a news outlet was going to cause some sort of danger, I’m not sure where you are going with this line of thinking.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m glad you at least concede this is speculative on your part. None of the articles I’ve read have said the safety of the actors was a factor; rather, the pared back media events have been to mitigate the self-destructive PR tendencies of the leads (though, notably, they had no problem putting Gadot on GMA while Zegler is doing meet and greets with small groups of fans in Tokyo).

None of the articles actually outright identify Disney's reason for changing either premiere (UK or US Hollywood), just they were doing it to prevent additional backlash. Any article I've seen from any media outlet puts their own speculation on the matter, but none that are confirmed by Disney themselves. So speculation is all around this whole ordeal.

Also I've already said PR was a factor -

Plus its also to limit the exposure to press as to minimize any questions that Disney doesn't want asked.

I tried searching the internet to see if I could find any mention of safety being a concern, and I couldn’t.

What I did find was that Disney was simply scaling back the amount of press allowed to be there and engage with the titular stars. So unless you think a news outlet was going to cause some sort of danger, I’m not sure where you are going with this line of thinking.

You're looking for a press release or something or some media report of such, that is not happening. I've already provided clues on what I'm talking about without directly saying it.

 

[Farerb]

They didn't have any issue allowing Gal to promote the movie on GMA, Kelly Ripa and Jimmy Fallon

 

[Disstevefan1]

Just as a check, I Googled (if we can believe Google) "biggest movie bomb in disney history"

Google returned, as expected John Carter, losing 284M in 2012.

Today Google tell me the production budget for Snow is only 209M using the access media formula of 2.5 * 209 = 522M is break even.

I have my doubts this will break even, when even using theses numbers.

I have a feeling they spent more than 209M to make this movie.

 

[Tha Realest]

Just as a check, I Googled (if we can believe Google) "biggest movie bomb in disney history"

Google returned, as expected John Carter, losing 284M in 2012.

Today Google tell me the production budget for Snow is only 209M using the access media formula of 2.5 * 209 = 522M is break even.

I have my doubts this will break even, when even using theses numbers.

I have a feeling they spent more than 209M to make this movie.

It was $209 after credits by the end of 2023, but before a bunch of reshoots and VFX to rework the film.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It was $209 after credits by the end of 2023, but before a bunch of reshoots and VFX to rework the film.

Yea, who knows how much they really spent.

Even at the 209, I don' think they will break even using the 2.5 multiplier.

 

[Chi84]

You actually believe that? When was the last violent movie premiere?

No, I don’t really believe it. Then again I have a hard time believing people who are all grown up are getting this rattled over a Disney movie. And yet that seems to be really happening.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

No, I don’t really believe it. Then again I have a hard time believing people who are all grown up are getting this rattled over a Disney movie. And yet that seems to be really happening.

You have a hard time believing people won't support entertainers who they don't find very entertaining and who they dislike personally?

 

[Chi84]

You have a hard time believing people won't support entertainers who they don't find very entertaining and who they dislike personally?

No, that’s perfectly believable. It would be silly to do otherwise. Although I’ll admit I find it unusual to personally dislike a celebrity.

 

[Disney Irish]

It was $209 after credits by the end of 2023, but before a bunch of reshoots and VFX to rework the film.

Well since the reshoots and the VFX were done in London, we'll have an actual accounting of those through UK tax records.

So if they did cost a lot we'll know about it. However I think people way overestimate the cost of reshoots and VFX, ie they don't add hundreds of Millions as some have claimed with other films.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You have a hard time believing people won't support entertainers who they don't find very entertaining and who they dislike personally?

No, that’s perfectly believable. It would be silly to do otherwise. Although I’ll admit I find it unusual to personally dislike a celebrity.

I find it much less likely that a small cadre of computer geeks can take down content that is sold to 8.5 billion people…
…especially when the content sucks.

 

[Chi84]

I find it much less likely that a small cadre of computer geeks can take down content that is sold to 8.5 billion people…
…especially when the content sucks.

I don't believe that either. I have a hard time dealing with the cadre of nerd-ragers and supposed adults who write the obnoxious things they do about both the celebrities and the movies. It seems over the top to me. Maybe others are more used to it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't believe that either. I have a hard time dealing with the cadre of nerd-ragers and supposed adults who write the obnoxious things they do about both the celebrities and the movies. It seems over the top to me. Maybe others are more used to it.

I’ve never read or have seen any of it…to be honest.

It’s not worth the time…and the entire concept doesn’t make any sense the way content is made and distributed. Studios know what they have…and know where to target it to try and maximize yield.

If it goes down…99.9% of the time it’s because the makers did a terrible job on some level(s)

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

No, that’s perfectly believable. It would be silly to do otherwise. Although I’ll admit I find it unusual to personally dislike a celebrity.

Liking/disliking celebrities, politicians, athletes, bands, authors, and other famous people is a national pastime. I have a long list of people I’ll go out of my way to buy from and also a pretty long list of people I actively avoid spending money on because I dislike their music, acting style, writing style, personal stances, etc. I thought that was completely normal and everyone did it.

 

[BrianLo]

Well since the reshoots and the VFX were done in London, we'll have an actual accounting of those through UK tax records.

So if they did cost a lot we'll know about it. However I think people way overestimate the cost of reshoots and VFX, ie they don't add hundreds of Millions as some have claimed with other films.

240 was the latest estimate from variety. Which means we’ll theoretically get 280-290 or so (post credits) out of the UK tally at the end of the day. Since that figure would include Interest and overhead costs.

Which for others, 99% of the budgets we talk about here from the trades are pre interest and overhead.