News Country Bear Jamboree is getting new songs and acts

[rct247]

out of curiosity what songs were troublesome?

These are quotes from the attraction that may be viewed with a different lens today. I have to give the disclaimer, that my suggestions don't necessary mean that I'm offended by them or that they are all troublesome, but they are guesses at what I think could be viewed by some people as not welcoming to all audiences.

• "I was acting like a Don Juan,And making a lot of noise." -referring to a womanizer, sexualizer, and paints a person of color negatively based on stereotype
• "A go-go girl caught my hand,I said, 'I can’t. I’m a married man.'She said 'If you ain’t gonna steal,You better not prowl.'" - talks of visiting a strip club with the boys
• "My woman ain’t purty, but she don’t swear none.She’s kinda heavy — don’t weigh a ton." -singing about his ugly wife and criticizing her weight/fat shaming
• "Mama, don’t whup little Buford…I think you should shoot him instead." -child abuse/gun violence
• "Every time I meet a guy who gets me shook, All I ever get from him’s a dirty look.
  It’s the same way everywhere, I’ve found.
  All the guys that turn me on turn me down." -turn me on just has a different weight to it these days for a show for the family
• "There was blood on the saddle,And blood all around,And a great big puddle, Of blood on the ground." - violent description

Again, being clear, I'm personally not offended by these at all, but they are not exactly themes, topics, or lyrics you'd necessarily hear or promote regularly today. When you have a short while to entertain families why sing about this stuff. And it has served its purpose to entertain for this long already, but it's time for a change.

I don't think "inclusion" is the sole reason behind this, but if they can tackle that issue at the same time as utilizing capacity and refreshing something that is showing its age, then why not.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

I believe Marni had heard rumblings about a CBJ update for the 50th. @marni1971 Was this the plan you heard?

That’s a great point. It seems like they’ve been trickling out updates that were rumored to be part of the anniversary, like Philharmagic and the Hatbox Ghost. Maybe we’ll also finally get the dynamite scene in Big Thunder.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well... sorry to stir the pot, but the depiction of Southerners in Splash 'B'rers' and CBJ are horrible stigmatizations of Deep South / Appalachian / Hillbilly people as uneducated (talk funny), inbred, and deformed from inbreeding (i.e., ugly) and lack of health care -- because they're so poor, which is their own fault. Making the women in CBJ man-hungry is just another layer of ridicule. They want a man but are too ugly to get one! Get it? Hahahaha.

In the series "Beverly Hillbillies" that was the joke. Over and over again. That they were uneducated and so poor, that they didn't know anything about modern civilization. Like calling their pool the "cement pond" for years. That's the joke. You're supposed to laugh with the laughtrack every time they called the pool the 'cement pond.' They're stupid. You can tell by the funny way they talk. Good thing the greedy guy trying to take advantage of them keeps getting foiled by their unbeguiling and unwitting simple ways.

So, needless to say, I applaud this update to CBJ.

 

[celluloid]

Well... sorry to stir the pot, but the depiction of Southerners in Splash 'B'rers' and CBJ are horrible stigmatizations of Deep South / Appalachian / Hillbilly people as uneducated (talk funny), inbred, and deformed from inbreeding (i.e., ugly) and lack of health care -- because they're so poor, which is their own fault. Making the women in CBJ man-hungry is just another layer of ridicule. They want a man but are too ugly to get one! Get it? Hahahaha.

In the series "Beverly Hillbillies" that was the joke. Over and over again. That they were uneducated and so poor, that they didn't know anything about modern civilization. Like calling their pool the "cement pond" for years. That's the joke. You're supposed to laugh with the laughtrack every time they called the pool the 'cement pond.' They're stupid. You can tell by the funny way they talk. Good thing the greedy guy trying to take advantage of them keeps getting foiled by their unbeguiling and unwitting simple ways.

So, needless to say, I applaud this update to CBJ.

It's like reading a rant by Judge Doom. A toon created with no sense of humor.

Just a heads up. More than half of the characters are depictions of animals and backstories of our western US states such as Idaho and in general the region of The Rockies. Some characters are even from The Sunshine State, which Florida, is not the deep south.

Since no one in the show says they talk funny, and they are voiced and or inspired by legit country stars and entertainers in many cases. If you think they talk funny, that says more about what you think of southern draws or western culture than anything else. They are Marc Davis characters. He created caricatures to live in three dimensions. They are not meant to be taken literally.

 

[LittleBuford]

Well... sorry to stir the pot, but the depiction of Southerners in Splash 'B'rers' and CBJ are horrible stigmatizations of Deep South / Appalachian / Hillbilly people as uneducated (talk funny), inbred, and deformed from inbreeding (i.e., ugly) and lack of health care -- because they're so poor, which is their own fault. Making the women in CBJ man-hungry is just another layer of ridicule. They want a man but are too ugly to get one! Get it? Hahahaha.

In the series "Beverly Hillbillies" that was the joke. Over and over again. That they were uneducated and so poor, that they didn't know anything about modern civilization. Like calling their pool the "cement pond" for years. That's the joke. You're supposed to laugh with the laughtrack every time they called the pool the 'cement pond.' They're stupid. You can tell by the funny way they talk. Good thing the greedy guy trying to take advantage of them keeps getting foiled by their unbeguiling and unwitting simple ways.

So, needless to say, I applaud this update to CBJ.

I never got the sense that the bears were meant to be disparaging stereotypes.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

It's like reading a rant by Judge Doom. A toon created with no sense of humor.

What do you expect from a penguin that's in a parasocial relationship with Winnie the Pooh? Remember, Winnie the Pooh evicted the Country Bears on the West Coast. He's just trying to cozy up to Pooh a bit more by disparaging the Country Bears.

 

[celluloid]

What do you expect from a penguin that's in a parasocial relationship with Winnie the Pooh? Remember, Winnie the Pooh evicted the Country Bears on the West Coast. He's just trying to cozy up to Pooh a bit more by disparaging the Country Bears.

Going by the lack of logic for CBJ distaste:
Winnie the Pooh is awful and makes fun of the way a kid with a speech impediment would name animals.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What do you expect from a penguin that's in a parasocial relationship with Winnie the Pooh? Remember, Winnie the Pooh evicted the Country Bears on the West Coast. He's just trying to cozy up to Pooh a bit more by disparaging the Country Bears.

I will *not* be ignored!!

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Good thing the greedy guy trying to take advantage of them keeps getting foiled by their unbeguiling and unwitting simple ways.

So, needless to say, I applaud this update to CBJ.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Well, I do hope Pete Reneday is back as Henry since he was in all 3 versions before hand..

Also have to wonder if Melvin, Max, and Buff will have more to say in the show this time.

 

[marni1971]

After thinking on this for a while and trying to be open-minded, I think this might be…..nope, never mind. Still hate it.

I first heard of the proposal in 2016 during 50th proposals

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I’m sure the folks saying lyrics about child abuse, shooting kids, and blood all around are peachy keen would lose their minds if they added a song about drag queens, etc.

 

[Captain Neo]

That looks like Michael Eisner lol

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

That looks like Michael Eisner lol

I take it you've never seen The Country Bears film..

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I’m sure the folks saying lyrics about child abuse, shooting kids, and blood all around are peachy keen would lose their minds if they added a song about drag queens, etc.

I visit both Country&Western Disney shows and my local gay pride boat parade. I love both and am utterly baffled anyone should be offended by the entertainment offered by either one.

People have gotten so weird nowadays.

 

[Brer Panther]

I mean, I've seen people call Sebastian from The Little Mermaid an offensive Jamaican stereotype and nobody's demanding they remove Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid. It isn't fair to single out the Country Bears.

 

[lentesta]

I'd be curious if @lentesta or anyone has data because I tend to feel it is the opposite with Tiki being more full when I have visited (though neither plays to packed houses).

Ah, we've never counted how many people are in a show. We're counting in the MK this week, though, so let me see what the team can do.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Five years ago, I directed a show at my (college) alma mater. During the rehearsal process, I was informed that incoming students were required to take a class which taught them anything that could potentially be viewed as racist, insensitive, or inappropriate must be treated as if it objectively is. I believe this is the lens through which many of these decisions are now viewed.

So basically, every student should also be given a roll of duct tape to cover their mouths upon completion so nothing inconsiderate will be uttered…

 

[celluloid]

I’m sure the folks saying lyrics about child abuse, shooting kids, and blood all around are peachy keen would lose their minds if they added a song about drag queens, etc.

Anyone who does not realize the song is a kid asking their parent to discipline their child and not the parent itself. and that the blood on the saddle song is a tragedy that the show does not want the character to perform it, is likely a fool.

I take it you've never seen The Country Bears film..

In that poster's defense, nobody did.

 

[lentesta]

I'd like to see a chart of CBJ's popularity through the years. @lentesta, how far back does your data go? Was there a time when CBJ was in the top half of the list and it plummeted?

The data go back to ... 2012? But it has never been that popular.