Well….there are only 2 ways to make it out of the hospital
The cases do legitimately look like they are trending down (not just a holiday drop in testing). God willing that trend continues and FL hospitals continue to get some relief.
Those two paragraphs are completely different things. People can be opposed to something and not have an alternative ready to present without the opposition having “no basis.” We may not agree with the opposition, but let’s stop making such broad generalizations.
That should have been a requirement from day one.
So far that’s the one part of the new plan that isn’t an actual requirement. In his speech Biden did say he would encourage states and businesses to require proof of vaccination for large group gatherings but there isn’t anything concrete that I saw in there requiring it. I don’t know if there is even authority for the Federal government to actually require private businesses to ask for proof of vaccination.
Actually, they are not. Religion and politics are specifically forbidden, as are are rude and/or insulting comments, along with passive- aggressive behavior, etc.
Fair point. I should have said I’m not a moderator so I have no authority to tell you what to talk about.
Great. Still doesn’t mean someone’s opposition to something has no basis simply because they offer no alternative. We may find the opposition unthinkable and easily dismissed…but that still doesn’t equate to it having no basis.
Keeping my fingers crossed that it's just the usual pita seasonal allergies.
I think for me this Is the situation. We have a completely unacceptable situation with covid right now. The status quo is not an option. The current administration is trying something new. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn‘t but we need to try something. When someone says they don’t like this plan that’s a fair opinion to have, but it’s also fair to ask what them what the alternative should be. Based on the posting history of the person involved and the answer given I assume they feel the status quo is fine and we don’t need a new plan. To me that’s unacceptable, but I suppose that’s just my opinion and someone could legitimately feel that way. Good thing the people in charge aren’t going with the status quo.
Well, I do keep saying we need a clear and definable goal. I personally am more apt to get fully behind most anything that does. To me that’s what gives something legitimacy, and I suppose proves we are all different.
The answer is not a mandate via executive order. Follow the established Constitional process.
Exactly, he is not mandating a needle in the arm he is mandating that if one does not get the vaccine that they only get tested.
WRONG, the Feds have been doing it for more 100 years! Vaccinations are as American as Apple pie.
www.history.com
www.azpha.org
www.healthline.com
It’s like talking to a wall. Some people think if they say it enough times it’s true. At this point let the lawsuits be filed and the courts decide. Many companies are in the process of changing their policies already and are very happy to have the backing of the Federal government to support a policy that will help keep their workers safe and keep workers on site being productive. Having this requirement is a big help for companies that feared they could lose some workers if they mandated vaccinations. Now its even playing field for everyone unless you are a very small business. It’s a big win for large companies.
OSHA rules have been, until this point, post employment work rules. Now OSHA rules are pre employment work rules. Big difference.
The OSHA rule (which we haven’t even seen yet) is expected to require employers to test employees weekly for Covid and will allow an exception for fully vaccinated people to not be tested. It has no bearing on pre-employment work rules. There’s nothing that prevents a company from hiring an unvaccinated person and there’s nothing to prevent a company from keeping an unvaccinated worker who chooses to be tested weekly. What you are saying is pure fantasy.
You always could lose your job without any type of legal process. Most employment is at will, which means you can be fired for a good reason, a bad reason or no reason at all unless you are in a class of persons protected against discrimination. Examples of protected classes include race, age, disability and such. Unvaccinated people are not a protected class. There is no right to continue in a job.
