Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[spaldingclan]

He's misleading with some dodgy calculations. The Delta Indian variant is only around 6% in the USA, and expected to be 100% by the fall. In the UK virtually every case is now the indian delta variant.

Once the delta variant takes full swing in the USA most likely rates are going to shoot up.

Sorry, you’re just wrong and fear mongering

 

[spaldingclan]

So sayeth some.

Man people have just been so beaten down by covid that they expect the worst

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sorry, you’re just wrong and fear mongering

...I don’t know “hoth” was somewhere in Appalachia or the ozarks?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Man people have just been so beaten down by covid that they expect the worst

And implying it’s “over” when people haven’t done what they can as a whole yet is dangerous. Maturity is such an undervalued commodity

 

[spaldingclan]

And implying it’s “over” when people haven’t done what they can as a whole yet is dangerous. Maturity is such an undervalued commodity

Agreed…get vaccinated. End of story but I’m no longer living in fear and going about my life as normal as my whole family is vaccinated. If you choose not to that’s on you

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

People should use this opportunity to take care of themselves, and teach their children too - so when the next pandemic hits they will be better able to cope with it.

This. I still wonder why there wasn’t more of an emphasis put on immune system (and overall) health when this first broke out.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Vitamin D has been proven to have a positive effect.
So has taking care of oneself in general, particularly not being obese.
People should use this opportunity to take care of themselves, and teach their children too - so when the next pandemic hits they will be better able to cope with it.

No, vitamin D supplementation has not shown to be particularly helpful for COVID:

Effect of a Single High Dose of Vitamin D3 on Hospital Length of Stay in Patients With Moderate to Severe COVID-19: A Randomized Clinical Trial - PubMed

ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT04449718.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Vitamin D concentrations and COVID-19 infection in UK Biobank - PubMed

Our findings do not support a potential link between vitamin D concentrations and risk of COVID-19 infection, nor that vitamin D concentration may explain ethnic differences in COVID-19 infection.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The only published benefits I've seen for Vitamin D are a small study that showed fewer ICU transfers in people who received a vitamin D supplement, but this was confounded because the groups were not properly randomized, and the non-treatment group had a higher baseline incidence of hypertension and diabetes, things that will make them more vulnerable to COVID.

"Effect of calcifediol treatment and best available therapy versus best available therapy on intensive care unit admission and mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19: A pilot randomized clinical study" - PubMed

Our pilot study demonstrated that administration of a high dose of Calcifediol or 25-hydroxyvitamin D, a main metabolite of vitamin D endocrine system, significantly reduced the need for ICU treatment of patients requiring hospitalization due to proven COVID-19. Calcifediol seems to be able to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This retrospective cohort study showed a higher incidence of COVID in people with a known low vitamin D level, but low vitamin D levels are generally a marker of poorer health, not the cause. A common theme in vitamin D research is low baseline levels being correlated to worse health outcomes, but supplementation failing to improve the specific outcome studied.

Association of Vitamin D Status and Other Clinical Characteristics With COVID-19 Test Results - PubMed

In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Incomudro]

This. I still wonder why there wasn’t more of an emphasis put on immune system (and overall) health when this first broke out.

Because asking people to do something about their own condition has become taboo in this country.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This. I still wonder why there wasn’t more of an emphasis put on immune system (and overall) health when this first broke out.

What do you think we've been yelling about in the medical profession for years? For all but a small number of people, there's no difference between "immune health" and "general health".

 

[Touchdown]

Part of me feels that if the virus resurges amongst the unvaccinated it’s their own fault.

Let me convince your other part(s) that that part of you is 100% correct. Covid, provided you don’t have autoimmune disease, is now a preventable disease.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed…get vaccinated. End of story but I’m no longer living in fear and going about my life as normal as my whole family is vaccinated. If you choose not to that’s on you

I don’t think it’s a “either or”...

I’m fully into real life resuming - hopefully with positive changes - but when you go out...go to a damn rite aid first.

hell...states will pick you up and take you there! There are no other excuses other than people are too stupid to identify con men.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This. I still wonder why there wasn’t more of an emphasis put on immune system (and overall) health when this first broke out.

Probably because “everyone get healthy” isn’t a viable health plan in a pinch?

What do you think we've been yelling about in the medical profession for years? For all but a small number of people, there's no difference between "immune health" and "general health".

Totally agree. Which is why the downfall of the Disney buffet wouldn’t be a bad thing...

...but who are we kidding? Only a matter of time there.

 

[GoofGoof]

This. I still wonder why there wasn’t more of an emphasis put on immune system (and overall) health when this first broke out.

What can the government do to promote better overall health? One big answer is to make sure everyone has access to health care. There’s a large correlation between people in generally poor overall health and lack of access to healthcare. Looking at Covid poor and disenfranchised people were disproportionately impacted including more hospitalizations and more death. Will free universal healthcare really drive obesity to zero? Probably not, but it would probably help and would definitely make us better prepared for the next pandemic. Somebody has to pay for it though. So do we really care about better health for everyone? Are we willing to pay for it? Some say yes, some say no.

 

[Heppenheimer]

What can the government do to promote better overall health? One big answer is to make sure everyone has access to health care. There’s a large correlation between people in generally poor overall health and lack of access to healthcare. Looking at Covid poor and disenfranchised people were disproportionately impacted including more hospitalizations and more death. Will free universal healthcare really drive obesity to zero? Probably not, but it would probably help and would definitely make us better prepared for the next pandemic. Somebody has to pay for it though. So do we really care about better health for everyone? Are we willing to pay for it? Some say yes, some say no.

I'm not of the opinion that universal health insurance would affect obesity rates at all, because that's largely a matter of leading a horse to water. And our society just isn't organized around encouraging the things that would reduce obesity. But it would help reduce some of the health consequences of obesity.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Probably because “everyone get healthy” isn’t a viable health plan in a pinch?

Totally agree. Which is why the downfall of the Disney buffet wouldn’t be a bad thing...

...but who are we kidding? Only a matter of time there.

I would like to start with at least normal portion sizes. Other than two of the higher-end restaurants, I don't think I was able to finish more than half a plate during my last trip to Disneyland.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would like to start with at least normal portion sizes. Other than two of the higher-end restaurants, I don't think I was able to finish more than half a plate during my last trip to Disneyland.

What’s really scary is that they seem to have reduced portions in the last 10-20 years

 

[Angel Ariel]

The same emailed “warning” also included something about there being “very little risk” of a resurgence to those who are fully vaccinated. The CDC said the same thing, even with the delta variant. The Pfizer vaccine will likely be available by the fall for school children, so soon enough everyone will be able to get vaccinated.

The solution here is quite simple, and I fail to understand why some won’t get vaccinated. Part of me feels that if the virus resurges amongst the unvaccinated it’s their own fault.

I saw some concern recently that the fda is considering not approving emergency authorization for kids when those vaccines are ready.

I hope that will turn out to be inaccurate, as I absolutely want DD to get the vaccine as soon as one is available to her.

 

[Mr. Moderate]

You are right, but at this point consequences need to happen if the vaccine hesitant are to change their minds. I live in a very low vaccinated-rate state and I've heard every excuse in the book to reject the vaccine, all more ridiculous as the next. "It alters your DNA you know." "We're not going to see the true side-effects of the vaccine for 5-10 years." Blah, blah, blah.

Of course the ones most likely to get the shot are those who have suffered from the virus in some way - got sick themselves, lost a loved one, worked in an industry that was hurt by the virus, etc. It's those that lived in their little quarantine bubble watching Tucker Carlson every night that are screwing this up for the rest of us. So I say, let them suffer.

I enjoy reading your opinion as I do others on this topic and part of me agrees with you, but I want to point out something that I bolded. I firmly believe in people taking responsibility for their actions or in this case, their inactions, but your statement of let them suffer won't just fall on their shoulders. By their own reluctance, I call it stupidity in some cases, due to misleading information from certain sources in this country, will effect us all greatly. If rates do go up in the fall due to this variant and they just might, those unvaccinated people will cause a cascade event that could easily put us back in lockdown.

I dread this happening and honestly I fear it as this point, but sadly there's nothing we can do to get these misguided and in some cases, selfish people to get vaccinated. It's frustrating to say the least and I think too many are thinking that the virus is over and doing a end zone celebration. The Delta variant scares me and this virus seems to have more legs than a spider at this point.

 

[Lilofan]

Probably because “everyone get healthy” isn’t a viable health plan in a pinch?

Totally agree. Which is why the downfall of the Disney buffet wouldn’t be a bad thing...

...but who are we kidding? Only a matter of time there.

One of my favorite buffets was at Port Orleans 20 years ago for breakfast . All you can eat including grilled steak and beignets.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

One of my favorite buffets was at Port Orleans 20 years ago for breakfast . All you can eat including grilled steak and beignets.

Yeah...I had it.

but that kinda thing is gone...to “specific” for the finance department in one spot