Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Mark52479

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But remember, there is always going to be a portion of the population that will have natural immunity. And you have to figure that number is between 10-15%.

So even these states that will have 50 or 60% fully vaccinated in the end game add the natural immunity into that number.

If we are talking 1 shot and natural immunity I think most states will be close to that 60-70% in the end
 
MaryJaneP

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Is there a portion of the population that has natural immunity to the polio virus? How about natural immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis, all the other viruses? Are those members of the population encouraged to get vaccinated against those diseases for their own good as well as for "herd immunity"? Is there a good non-political reason that those who can be vaccinated, are excused? Fear of needles and governmental nano-robot tracking microchips not withstanding.
 
lazyboy97o

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MaryJaneP said:
Is there a portion of the population that has natural immunity to the polio virus? How about natural immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis, all the other viruses? Are those members of the population encouraged to get vaccinated against those diseases for their own good as well as for "herd immunity"? Is there a good non-political reason that those who can be vaccinated, are excused? Fear of needles and governmental nano-robot tracking microchips not withstanding.
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Haven’t you heard? We’d be more free if we still had polio and more measles.
 
GoofGoof

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Mark52479 said:
But remember, there is always going to be a portion of the population that will have natural immunity. And you have to figure that number is between 10-15%.

So even these states that will have 50 or 60% fully vaccinated in the end game add the natural immunity into that number.

If we are talking 1 shot and natural immunity I think most states will be close to that 60-70% in the end
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Don’t forget there’s overlap. If 50% of the population is vaccinated in general maybe up to 50% of those who got infected also got vaccinated as well. I would guess maybe slightly less than average because after wave 1 last Spring Covid spikes have been skewed towards younger people who are less likely to be vaccinated and some people already infected may sit out the vaccine or be less quick to go get it since they have some natural immunity to fall back on. So if 10% of the population was naturally infected and tested positive and another 5 - 10% were infected and never got tested and then half those people got the vaccine anyway we are probably looking at somewhere around 7-10% of the unvaccinated population with natural immunity.

The other factor is vaccinated people whose vaccine failed and they aren’t really immune. 5% of those vaccinated may not be fully immune based on a 95% effective vaccine. So if you have 50% of the population vaccinated that means 47.5% actually Immune plus 7 to 10% of the unvaccinated with natural immunity you probably get to 55-58% immune. No clue if that will be enough or not, but it’s still a pretty high number given that covid is much less contagious than a virus like measles.

The other way to look at it is with dropping all the covid mitigations like masks, distancing and group gatherings if there is an outbreak in cases due to not enough people being immune the unvaccinated will very quickly become naturally immune so the number ”immune“ will continue to rise even if nobody else gets vaccinated. Eventually we hit “herd immunity”, just the hard way. If the number of people immune is high enough to snuff out the virus it eventually fails to circulate in the community. My biggest concern with that plan would be kids under 12 not being eligible for the vaccine. Fortunately I live in a county that has well over 70% of adults vaccinated and cases are flatlining but I’d be at least mildly concerned with my unvaccinated son interacting in the community if I lived somewhere with a lower vaccination level.
 
GoofGoof

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MaryJaneP said:
Is there a portion of the population that has natural immunity to the polio virus? How about natural immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hepatitis, all the other viruses? Are those members of the population encouraged to get vaccinated against those diseases for their own good as well as for "herd immunity"? Is there a good non-political reason that those who can be vaccinated, are excused? Fear of needles and governmental nano-robot tracking microchips not withstanding.
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IMHO if covid were to become endemic and if the virus doesn’t mutate enough to defeat the vaccines the covid vaccine will become like all the others. It will be required for schools so 95% of kids will have it and there will likely be further campaigns to get the rest of the adults vaccinated. This is what happened with Polio and Measles. It took years and decades to snuff them out completely. The one bright spot is Covid is far less contagious so it should be snuffed out with less than the 95% vaccinated we need for measles. Even if covid reaches elimination status in the US as long as International travel exists we will be at risk for travelers bringing covid in from other places for at least several years. I am confident that the world community will act faster to bring the vaccines everywhere than they did for measles and polio but it will still take years and there’s no guarantee enough people take it in every country even when it’s available.
 
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DisneyFan32

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GoofGoof said:
Don’t forget there’s overlap. If 50% of the population is vaccinated in general maybe up to 50% of those who got infected also got vaccinated as well. I would guess maybe slightly less than average because after wave 1 last Spring Covid spikes have been skewed towards younger people who are less likely to be vaccinated and some people already infected may sit out the vaccine or be less quick to go get it since they have some natural immunity to fall back on. So if 10% of the population was naturally infected and tested positive and another 5 - 10% were infected and never got tested and then half those people got the vaccine anyway we are probably looking at somewhere around 7-10% of the unvaccinated population with natural immunity.

The other factor is vaccinated people whose vaccine failed and they aren’t really immune. 5% of those vaccinated may not be fully immune based on a 95% effective vaccine. So if you have 50% of the population vaccinated that means 47.5% actually Immune plus 7 to 10% of the unvaccinated with natural immunity you probably get to 55-58% immune. No clue if that will be enough or not, but it’s still a pretty high number given that covid is much less contagious than a virus like measles.

The other way to look at it is with dropping all the covid mitigations like masks, distancing and group gatherings if there is an outbreak in cases due to not enough people being immune the unvaccinated will very quickly become naturally immune so the number ”immune“ will continue to rise even if nobody else gets vaccinated. Eventually we hit “herd immunity”, just the hard way. If the number of people immune is high enough to snuff out the virus it eventually fails to circulate in the community. My biggest concern with that plan would be kids under 12 not being eligible for the vaccine. Fortunately I live in a county that has well over 70% of adults vaccinated and cases are flatlining but I’d be at least mildly concerned with my unvaccinated son interacting in the community if I lived somewhere with a lower vaccination level.
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Soon there will no more outbreaks for states such as surges or spikes anymore by fall/winter this year.:D:)
 
TheGuyThatMakesSwords

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Hoping not to offend anyone? The primary thing that those who HAVE been fully vaccinated must remember:

Those that, for whatever reason have NOT been vaccinated, are literally ZERO threat to you. Just me - I would worry more about a drunk driver, or some new terrible thawed Tyrannosaurus to human plague :(. The protection stats on current vaccine are literally astounding. Really hoping we can get a Flu vaccine, using the same technology.

Please - if willing and able? Get vaccinated. Then let Nature solve the remaining issues. Nature is very good at this.
 
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DisneyCane

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DisneyFan32 said:
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I don't know what leads him to say "most" Americans. I would think anybody halfway intelligent knows that until the rest of the world gets vaccinated at a high rate, COVID isn't going away. Most doctors commenting about public health on MSNBC have not internalized that once COVID is not a significant threat in a country due to vaccinations (which is pretty much true for the USA at this point), most of the people in that country aren't giving much thought to the situation in the developing world. They just figure the people in charge will keep travel bans in place for any countries that have major issues.
 
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