Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@helenabear I could be wrong but I don't think he thinks that at all. I live in a state that is pretty open. Kids are in school , stores and restaurants have no real capacity, no state mask mandate but most wear one anyway so we have been living life as normal. I don't think I am better than anyone but I am grateful for my states sensible leadership .

Which state?

 

[mgf]

I have said this before -- Disney knows exactly how to pack the park to the gills if it wanted to do so. It knows how to do it even with a mask mandate. There are basic levers they can pull whenever they want to pull them to drive up demand. They are choosing not to do it. You can disagree with the choice, but it is clearly an intentional choice on their part.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I have said this before -- Disney knows exactly how to pack the park to the gills if it wanted to do so. It knows how to do it even with a mask mandate. There are basic levers they can pull whenever they want to pull them to drive up demand. They are choosing not to do it. You can disagree with the choice, but it is clearly an intentional choice on their part.

Hmmmm the demand has always been there, but, the dynamic's are different.

 

[DisneyCane]

“And still...she persisted”

You can shout about “only old people!!” As long as you want. That’s not what has or will happened.

“Arms out, shut up”

What in that post said anything about "only old people?" The post was talking about prioritization while vaccine supply is limited and what populations made the most sense to target.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Any states down to 45 yet?

Asking for a friend. (Ok, it's me, I'm the friend. Dammit, I just want the thing.)

Vermont drops to age 16 on 15 March with a qualifying "high risk" condition. Which includes:

• Current cancer
• Chronic kidney disease
• COPD, including emphysema and chronic bronchitis
• Heart disease, including heart attack, heart failure, congestive heart failure, coronary artery disease (angina, acute and chronic ischemic heart disease), cardiomyopathies, and pulmonary hypertension. Does NOT include high blood pressure.
• Immunocompromised (weakened immune system), due to solid organ transplant, blood, or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, or other causes; or HIV with a low CD4 cell count or not on HIV treatment; prolonged use of corticosteroids or other immune suppressing drugs.
• Severe obesity (BMI of 40 or above)
• Pregnancy
• Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes
• Disabilities including chromosomal disorders, such as Down syndrome; intellectual disabilities (IQ of 70 or below); disabilities that compromise lung function (neurologic and muscular conditions such as muscular dystrophy, spina bifida, cystic fibrosis, and multiple sclerosis).
• Sickle cell disease

Currently, we're still at age 65 and up for everyone, and 55 and up for anyone with the above conditions.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What in that post said anything about "only old people?" The post was talking about prioritization while vaccine supply is limited and what populations made the most sense to target.

Quoting statistics and trends based on age is pointless...it doesn’t affect what’s going on at all with the exception of children at this point. It’s just about volume and battling stupidity now

 

[DisneyCane]

Quoting statistics and trends based on age is pointless...it doesn’t affect what’s going on at all with the exception of children at this point. It’s just about volume and battling stupidity now

How is it pointless when determining who is most at risk to be prioritized for vaccination? If there is anything that has been crystal clear since day 1 of the pandemic, with supporting statistics from all around the world it is that there is a major correlation between elderly people and hospitalizations and fatalities. It isn't pointless at all.

In fact, if you could only produce enough vaccines to vaccinate everybody on earth aged 65 and over, the pandemic would essentially end once that was achieved.

 

[pixie225]

Wonder what all these companies are going to do with all this office space thats value just came down like the hindenburg.

My daughter lives/works in NYC, but for a year has worked out of her apartment. Hated it at first, loves it now. She says she doesn't even want to go back into her office -which she has never seen before, as she began working at this company after the shutdown.

 

[Patcheslee]

It is rumored Indiana will drop to 45 this week (and possibly 40 by end of this week or next).

Eh, I'm waiting on the weekly allotment to post, we seem to trend around covering 50-60% of the eligible population with the allocations before the open to another group. Noticed J&J still hasn't shown a 3/8 allotment for any states. Keeping an eye on appointment availability right now to know where would be soonest.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

How is it pointless when determining who is most at risk to be prioritized for vaccination? If there is anything that has been crystal clear since day 1 of the pandemic, with supporting statistics from all around the world it is that there is a major correlation between elderly people and hospitalizations and fatalities. It isn't pointless at all.

In fact, if you could only produce enough vaccines to vaccinate everybody on earth aged 65 and over, the pandemic would essentially end once that was achieved.

No, if you only had enough vaccine for 65 and over, we still would be in a global pandemic, just not as many deaths. Less deaths do not equal a pandemic being over. You should know better then that. We would be in a world with less death and tens of thousands with lingering problems for who knows how long. That we do know.

 

[danlb_2000]

i love it.

keep it going

You mean keep the pandemic going? Because that's what could happen if you lift restrictions to soon. Let's not keep this thing going any longer then we have to.

 

[mmascari]

It is rumored Indiana will drop to 45 this week (and possibly 40 by end of this week or next).

It's an 8 hour trip to "Hollywood Casino & Hotel Lawrenceburg". Yet a Casino trip to get a vaccine seems like a bad idea.

Vermont drops to age 16 on 15 March with a qualifying "high risk" condition. Which includes:

• Severe obesity (BMI of 40 or above)

While Brattleboro would save an hour plus some, I don't think I can eat enough to qualify as severe obesity between now and then. Which also sounds worse than taking up smoking to qualify.

We're back to getting a teaching job. I wonder if I can do my normal job while also being a room monitor in a middle or high school. That might do it.

 

[zweltar]

We're back to getting a teaching job. I wonder if I can do my normal job while also being a room monitor in a middle or high school. That might do it.

While I know that this is meant in jest, I can't help but feel the need to speak up about statements like this. Healthcare workers got vaccines, but no one joked "maybe I can be an attending physician while I do my normal job" or "maybe I'll go give sponge baths to bed-ridden people" other such jokes. Maybe saying "I can quit my current job to work with kids" wouldn't be as insulting or (hopefully unintentionally) minimizing the work that educators do.

Last spring our country got a peek into what it takes to work with kids on a daily basis and everyone sang the praises of educators. Social media posts saying that teachers needed raises were abundant last spring. Yet 12 months later, we're back to joking about how we could do so while still doing another job.

*steps down from soapbox*

Let the mask bickering resume...

 

[DisneyFan32]

Good news guys I'm gonna finally get COVID-19 vaccine on Thursday morning probably 9:30 AM, so looks like it's time to back to normal for me because it's finally over for me, no more getting COVID-19 this time soon because I'm in NJ and I'm 30 years old because I'm turning 31 next month!

 

[aliceismad]

Yep...it seems kinda stupid

Right? With the mask mandates dropping and spring break and easter coming up, I'm guessing we're going to see another (hopefully smaller) surge in cases and deaths.

 

[Kevin_W]

While I know that this is meant in jest, I can't help but feel the need to speak up about statements like this. Healthcare workers got vaccines, but no one joked "maybe I can be an attending physician while I do my normal job" or "maybe I'll go give sponge baths to bed-ridden people" other such jokes. Maybe saying "I can quit my current job to work with kids" wouldn't be as insulting or (hopefully unintentionally) minimizing the work that educators do.

I think you might be taking this a little to personally.. I've heard tons of "jokes" (really just musings) about getting a job in the cafeteria at a local hospital, or becoming a janitor at a nursing home to get the shot. In both these fields (medical/teaching) there are highly skilled people who qualify for vaccines and less skilled people also qualifying.

This particular joke was about being a room monitor, not teaching algebra. I don't read that as diminishing a teacher in any way.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think you might be taking this a little to personally.. I've heard tons of "jokes" (really just musings) about getting a job in the cafeteria at a local hospital, or becoming a janitor at a nursing home to get the shot. In both these fields (medical/teaching) there are highly skilled people who qualify for vaccines and less skilled people also qualifying.

My school district does all of their shots this Thursday. They include teachers, bus drivers, administrators, and part time lunch and recess aids. Nobody is going to try for a job as an AP calculus teacher just to get a shot, but a part time lunch aid..... I don’t think it minimizes anything the people in those roles do, just that people who aren’t eligible yet want to get the shot. If they opened the vaccine to grocery workers or postal workers or Amazon delivery drivers or some other essential workers first I’m sure we would here the same thoughts about trying to get into one of those groups.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How is it pointless when determining who is most at risk to be prioritized for vaccination? If there is anything that has been crystal clear since day 1 of the pandemic, with supporting statistics from all around the world it is that there is a major correlation between elderly people and hospitalizations and fatalities. It isn't pointless at all.

In fact, if you could only produce enough vaccines to vaccinate everybody on earth aged 65 and over, the pandemic would essentially end once that was achieved.

Because there’s a huge vaccine dump coming within days/weeks. It’s not about “priorities” anymore...it’s time to plow the road.

Stupidity is going to be a bigger hurdle as variants rise.

 

[mmascari]

While I know that this is meant in jest, I can't help but feel the need to speak up about statements like this. Healthcare workers got vaccines, but no one joked "maybe I can be an attending physician while I do my normal job" or "maybe I'll go give sponge baths to bed-ridden people" other such jokes. Maybe saying "I can quit my current job to work with kids" wouldn't be as insulting or (hopefully unintentionally) minimizing the work that educators do.

Last spring our country got a peek into what it takes to work with kids on a daily basis and everyone sang the praises of educators. Social media posts saying that teachers needed raises were abundant last spring. Yet 12 months later, we're back to joking about how we could do so while still doing another job.

*steps down from soapbox*

Let the mask bickering resume...

This is more a coping mechanism for our "return to school" plan. We're still 100% remote here. I put it in quotes because it's not really a "return to school" plan. They're going to bring 50% of middle and high schoolers back, 25% week 1, 25% week 2 alternating. The off weeks they'll be remote, just like the 50% that are staying remote. Classes will be for the combined group in the building and remote. But, this is the kicker. They're not getting in room instruction. They're putting 15ish kids in a room with a monitor not a teacher and those kids will zoom to class just like they would from home. They stay in the one room all day without switching. They're not all even attending the same class and they have to use headphones to avoid disrupting each other. It's exactly like attending remotely, only worse because now they're in a room with kids in different classes instead of the home workspace.

My 6th grader has been ranting this is a disaster since it was announced. She's got a two Chromebook optimized setup at home and this is a huge step backwards. She wants to go back to school, even with the masks and distancing, and room air cleaners, and increased ventilation, and the messed up transportation, and complicated lunch. All the extra hassles are worth it to actually interact with other kids and have an in person teacher. But, this solution isn't any of those things. The point of doing all those things was so we could get that value add, and we're not getting any of it. Just checking a box that they're in the building.

Hence the joke about "being a room monitor". They're hiring a bunch of them, that's the actual job description. Not a joke that teachers are just babysitters, but an actual job description our system is hiring that's not a teacher but is a babysitter. Since the teachers can't actually teach from the front of a room where most of the kids aren't even in that class. They may try that in the High School, but that's even worse for both the teacher and the kids.

I should have said "school employee" not "teaching job", since it's all one priority group for vaccine. I couldn't actually be an educator, that's a different job and a hard one.

Massive envy of schools using mitigation to get kids back to real education.

 

[correcaminos]

@helenabear I could be wrong but I don't think he thinks that at all. I live in a state that is pretty open. Kids are in school , stores and restaurants have no real capacity, no state mask mandate but most wear one anyway so we have been living life as normal. I don't think I am better than anyone but I am grateful for my states sensible leadership .

We have differences in what is considered sensible likely. Flying across the country was against recommendations unless essential. I haven't been able to travel even for work yet. If I read wrong, I apologize but it came across as an insensitive brag.