Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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HarperRose

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If anyone is interested in the reports of anaphylaxis in the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, here's probably the most authoritative source at the moment, from the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report:


If you don't want to sift through what is a rather technical article, here's the key points. The most up-to-date, complete data comes from 14-23 December, so this is only very preliminary reporting and expect the numbers to change as we accumulate more data. For the period covered by this data, there were 21 reported cases of anaphylaxis to the vaccine, out of 1.893 million doses given, which calculates to a rate of 11.1 cases per million. Right now, it is too early to compare this rate to other, more well-established vaccines.

The majority of anaphylactic reactions (71%) occurred within 15 minutes of receiving the vaccine and all occurred within 30 minutes. No deaths occurred, and 20 of the 21 were confirmed completely recovered after receiving the appropriate treatment (the data on the remaining patient was not complete). 4 of the cases required brief hospital stays, the remainder were treated and released from the ER. 17 of the 21 had a previous history of some kind of allergy, and 7 had a previous history of anaphylaxis.

There were also 83 cases of minor allergic reactions. No information on their status beyond that, but we can probably assume that didn't require an ER or hospital visit.

Some of the caveats noted include that this data relied on passive reporting, although the article notes that given the media attention and heightened awareness about potential reactions, an anaphylactic reaction to the new COVID vaccines is probably more likely to be sent through the Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reporting System (VAERS) than for existing vaccines, which typically do not receive as much scrutiny. Also, whereas the reports to VAERS were verified to have been sent promptly, overall data on the number of vaccines distributed has lagged, so if you look at the rate of anaphylaxis per number of vaccines, the denominator is more likely to be an under-report at any given point in time than the numerator. This may overestimate the rate of anaphylaxis.
Thanks for the info. I did not click on the link, so this may have been clear in the article, but did they say what the people were allergic to that had reactions? I'm allergic to sulfa drugs and penicillin, so the part about previous allergies slightly worries me.
 

HarperRose

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The local news channel is trying to get answers as to the 1 million unused vaccine doses that are currently "somewhere" in FL. So, while releasing all the extra federal doses seems like a good thing, we still aren't even using everything we've been given, and local vaccine clinics are not able to meet the demand as they simply haven't been allocated enough. From the article: Flagler Cty has only received 1700 total doses, and Orange Cty has 24,000, which is earmarked for the next 2 weeks.

What a logistical mess.

Honestly, did anyone think it would be anything but a cluster?
 

HarperRose

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Be interested in how you feel tomorrow (which is when most of us had the minor side? effects of a ( good) immune response ).

I forget did you have Moderna or Pfizer?

One week post second shot is when they feel max immunity occurs. ( Not sure how they determine that ( perhaps phase 1 or 2 had daily blood samples after second shot)
A friend received their second dose yesterday. Other than a sore arm and feeling exhausted today, they are feeling ok.
 

correcaminos

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2 new strains of the virus found in the US. Not exactly the great news we're all looking for.

Anyone who thought it wasn't here already honestly had their head in the sand. This isn't anything but confirmation of what most already strongly suspected. Much like covid was here in Feb per friends who were sick and had antibody tests later.

As for loved ones with 2nd doses only one had more adverse side effects and it was Pfizer. Most reporting very little. Which matches up with the roughly 15% of people who take who do so far.
 

Disney Experience

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Anyone who thought it wasn't here already honestly had their head in the sand. This isn't anything but confirmation of what most already strongly suspected. Much like covid was here in Feb per friends who were sick and had antibody tests later.

As for loved ones with 2nd doses only one had more adverse side effects and it was Pfizer. Most reporting very little. Which matches up with the roughly 15% of people who take who do so far.
I actually did not mind the second shot minor side effects (Beyond just a sore arm) it made me confident that the immune system had a robust response.
The studies said the side effects were more prevalent in younger subjects ( I am not young, but not 65+ either).

It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation in duration of immunity or efficacy with having or not having side effects on second shot
 

HarperRose

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Wouldn't better ventilation be more effective than little compartments next to each other?

Isn't there something they could do to change over the air much faster. Say replace all the windows with open bars. :eek:
You don't want to ride the monorail in July with no a/c.
 

Kevin_W

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Anyone who thought it wasn't here already honestly had their head in the sand. This isn't anything but confirmation of what most already strongly suspected. Much like covid was here in Feb per friends who were sick and had antibody tests later.

Except they specifically say that this isn't the UK or South African mutation. This one is US-specific, but has similarities to those.

We know the virus has been mutating since the beginning; hopefully it's just making more news now after the UK variant caused huge spikes.
 

mmascari

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You don't want to ride the monorail in July with no a/c.

Or June.. or August.. or most of September.. little of May.. I’ll stop.
As another very long thread pointed out, that has a lot to do with inadequate ventilation too. If they did something to change over all the cabin air every minute. Perhaps with a soft breeze flowing through exchanging all the air for fresh outside air. That could solve both issues.

I will 100% agree, that without significant fresh air circulation, as is the monorail case today, all of those months are bad without A/C.
 

hopemax

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Our local media is drilling down into where we really are in the vaccination schedule. So for Colorado

There are 225 skilled nursing home facilities
13 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled
7 have a clinic scheduled later than the Governor's wish that they be held before Jan 15th

There are 917 assisted living facilities and other qualified facilities
221 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled

Walgreens is contracted to provide for 654 assisted living facilities
189 of these do not have a clinic scheduled
 

Disney Experience

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Our local media is drilling down into where we really are in the vaccination schedule. So for Colorado

There are 225 skilled nursing home facilities
13 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled
7 have a clinic scheduled later than the Governor's wish that they be held before Jan 15th

There are 917 assisted living facilities and other qualified facilities
221 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled

Walgreens is contracted to provide for 654 assisted living facilities
189 of these do not have a clinic scheduled
So 10-20% are not scheduled. Interesting..

Has your local media inquired with the facilities or Walgreens to see why?
 

Kevin_W

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Our local media is drilling down into where we really are in the vaccination schedule. So for Colorado

There are 225 skilled nursing home facilities
13 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled
7 have a clinic scheduled later than the Governor's wish that they be held before Jan 15th

There are 917 assisted living facilities and other qualified facilities
221 do NOT have a vaccination clinic scheduled

Walgreens is contracted to provide for 654 assisted living facilities
189 of these do not have a clinic scheduled

Good data to have. the follow-up would be: do they have a plan for those that are not scheduled?

Ohio's governor said yesterday that 85% of LTC facilities in the state had received their first visit. That's a pretty good number, but also didn't go into detail about the plan for the other 15%.
 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out - there were 169 new reported deaths, along with 5 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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