Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

Those deaths apparently don't matter since it doesn't allow an option to destroy the fabric of society as we know it.

Maybe they should create "rest areas" in theme parks and out in public where people can take opioids where overdosing can't occur. Or if they only take opioids when they're dining at a restaurant.

Our “fabric of society “ has always bounced back since the beginning of time. Always have, always will.We are pretty resilient that way. Might seem bad now but we will come out of it.

 

[wdisney9000]

You got the “why is it different this time” right!

Blew right by it, but it’s there. Let me help.

The death count for this virus includes people that have died WITH Covid, not specify BECAUSE of Covid. My point still stands. Far more people die each year for other reasons. Yet there is no outcry for those deaths.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The death count for this virus includes people that have died WITH Covid, not specify BECAUSE of Covid. My point still stands. Far more people die each year for other reasons. Yet there is no outcry for those deaths.

That’s not true. Not even close.

 

[Flugell]

Just an Idea. If protests DON'T cause spikes in COVID-19, then instead of a vacation to Disney, why not call it a Disney Protest? Instead of sending the kids to school in the fall, call it an in school Protest.

My daughter plays Division 1 college volleyball. All athletes in her school (350) are getting tested. All NCAA college athletes in the country (460,000) are getting tested. We can agree that these young adults, men and women are probably the fittest, strongest out of all of us. They have to be to play college sports. So who cares if they are asymptomatic? Nothing bad will happen to them. They will be quarantined for 14 days and then start their seasons. And yes, they announced full in classroom classes come August.

There is no need to panic.

When more stuff opens, more people get tested and more cases are found. More Asymptomatic cases. We take the proper steps to be safe and life goes on. If we tested everyone in the US we would have double the cases we have now.

What we are not talking about is the stress, panic and loss of money we are all facing. Loosing your job making $1,000 a week and having to live on $250 a week is a big hit in the face. The stress and panic wear on the body. Having to quit your job because you have to stay home with your kids because school is not opening is stressful. Some of us will not recover. Telling your kids they have to eat PB&J for lunch because you can't afford lunch meat or cheese, is awful. Why so a few people don't get the sniffles.

We need to think of what happens to the people who are barely making ends meet. Pushing back the opening of WDW is not about riding Space Mountain or Dole Whips. It is about the people who work there, who need a pay check.

I have to disagree. There is still reason to panic but perhaps it depends on how close to 60 you are to decide how much to panic. I sympathise with people who are struggling financially, who doesn’t, but I don’t want to be placed any more at risk because you feel that college sports have to be played. They don’t. A long time ago I was an excellent field hockey player, county and regional, I do understand the frustration and disappointment of not being able to participate in sport at the appropriate or indeed any level, but I would like to think that given the choice between playing my favourite sport and potentially spreading a virus I would have made the magnanimous choice. Yes I too was fit, very active and healthy and would probably have experienced mild or no symptoms but couldn’t have forgiven myself, or lived with the guilt of passing on a potentially, yes I know it’s only potentially, lethal virus to a family member, friend or a total stranger. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have moaned and groaned like a spoilt teenager, which I probably was! Incidentally we, as a family play in a brass band but as the government has decreed, correctly in my opinion that blowing an instrument is dangerous on a much greater scale than breathing normally and impossible to do wearing a mask! Every band in the country has shut down, which to us is the equivalent of no sport! You also state that with more testing, more asymptomatic cases are identified, I have no quarrel with that statement but I don’t believe that you can guarantee that there are no serious cases within those numbers and that is the problem.
People who are struggling to make ends meet is a whole different discussion and a more valid reason for opening things up than a desire to play sport. The anxiety and anguish of people who no longer have an income should not be underestimated and I truly believe that government should step up and help to reassure and provide financial support. I guess that’s unlikely though.
You must be incredibly proud of your daughter and I know that she will have dedicated most of her young life to achieving that standard within her sport but consider that perhaps another couple of months of sacrifice may allow the sports to open quickly, more safely and to remain open. At the moment I still feel that there are too many unknowns and risks, but it is only my opinion.
I wish your daughter every success in her future sporting career and hope that it can be resumed safely for everyone.

 

[Miss Bella]

Of course. But far more bites occur each day involving other breeds. Pit bulls are far more people friendly than the average person knows. I was just pointing out a HUGE misconception that has occurred due to selective media coverage.

If I have a choice of getting bit by a Yorkie or a Pitbull. I’m going with the Yorkie. They may be friendly, but I would never own a dog with jaws like an alligator. I’ll stick with Golden retrievers.

 

[wdisney9000]

Our “fabric of society “ has always bounced back since the beginning of time. Always have, always will.We are pretty resilient that way. Might seem bad now but we will come out of it.

Of course. We absolutely will. But when phrases such as "new normal" are constantly tossed around, it's important to realise what that means. Especially in terms of what freedoms will be taken away to make people feel "safe". And those freedoms will not be returned once things bounce back.

 

[wdisney9000]

That’s not true. Not even close.

It's not true that more people die from other causes? Or that the death count includes people dying with covid, not from it?

 

[wdisney9000]

If I have a choice of getting bit by a Yorkie or a Pitbull. I’m going with the Yorkie. They may be friendly, but I would never own a dog with jaws like an alligator. I’ll stick with Golden retrievers.

Ive been bit by many breeds and yes, I'll take Yorkie bite any day. But I've seen many more aggression cases with breeds that are not "pit bull".

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's not true that more people die from other causes? Or that the death count includes people dying with covid, not from it?

That people aren’t being reported as dying from COVID-19 if they just happened to have it. That there is no discussion on other causes of death. Of course under absolutely no circumstances can I give you heart disease, a group of diseases with various causes and not a single disease with one cause.

 

[hopemax]

The death count for this virus includes people that have died WITH Covid, not specify BECAUSE of Covid. My point still stands. Far more people die each year for other reasons. Yet there is no outcry for those deaths.

Wait! Are you a vascular specialist, or a pathologist? Are you following these types of people on social media and can share their info?

Because I have a lot of questions about how this presents in the heart, kidneys, clotting factors, how endothelial cells fit in, and a whole list of things. It would be great to have a specialist.

 

[Flugell]

All deaths are horrendous but the majority of deaths from heart disease, car crashes or even dog bites are not caused by an infectious virus. I do feel that the attempt to differentiate between dying with or dying of coronavirus is rather pedantic. If my life is cut short by 1 second then it is the virus killed me. If the underlying cancer, for example, killed me 1 second later and I didn’t have the virus then Cancer would be the cause of death. This is because the virus robbed me of 1 second of my life. That is the difference and an important one. Would be wonderful if all deaths could be reduced and maybe lessons learned from treating the virus will help.

 

[wdisney9000]

Wait! Are you a vascular specialist, or a pathologist? Are you following these types of people on social media and can share their info?

Because I have a lot of questions about how this presents in the heart, kidneys, clotting factors, how endothelial cells fit in, and a whole list of things. It would be great to have a specialist.

I am not a vascular specialist or pathologist. But to clarify, are you asking if there are higher death rates in other areas aside from Covid? Or if certain deaths accounted to covid are counted regardless of it being from "with covid", not "from Covid"?

 

[wdisney9000]

All deaths are horrendous but the majority of deaths from heart disease, car crashes or even dog bites are not caused by an infectious virus. I do feel that the attempt to differentiate between dying with or dying of coronavirus is rather pedantic. If my life is cut short by 1 second then it is the virus killed me. If the underlying cancer, for example, killed me 1 second later and I didn’t have the virus then Cancer would be the cause of death. This is because the virus robbed me of 1 second of my life. That is the difference and an important one. Would be wonderful if all deaths could be reduced and maybe lessons learned from treating the virus will help.

A death is a death, regardless of the reason. To be more upset or vocal over one cause vs another is pedantic if your true intention is to reduce the death toll.

 

[hopemax]

I am not a vascular specialist or pathologist. But to clarify, are you asking if there are higher death rates in other areas aside from Covid? Or if certain deaths accounted to covid are counted regardless of it being from "with covid", not "from Covid"?

You just seemed highly confident in the difference. I thought you knew something the rest of us might not know.

In my state, they count both deaths from and with covid as separate columns in the data. It's been floating at about 10% difference. So in my state, 90% of the people that die WITH covid, die FROM covid.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A death is a death, regardless of the reason. To be more upset or vocal over one cause vs another is pedantic if your true intention is to reduce the death toll.

Honestly...have you even paid attention to the differences?

You’re coming off as a hoaxer...and that isn’t the camp you want to be In.

Spread through contact, high transmission rate, no data on it (novel), and no treatments. That happened. It did. We’re still not out of the woods yet.

Not the flu...not car accidents...not shutin induced suicides...key differences.

And as far as the “poor people losing money”...we actually did a fairly decent job of backstopping the workers in the relief packages. The safety net worked...for now.

But that won’t stop the huge layoffs, closures, losses that happen to preserve corporate benefit in the recession to come. That was gonna happen as it always does and the cause of the recession doesn’t matter. It’s a cycle...wheels turn.
And the fat cats have already made extra billions. Tons. Hell...if you think China did this on purpose...I got a more legitimate theory that amazon did.

Jeez. We are mentally stretched to the limits here.

 

[Miss Bella]

I just got an email from Lifetime. Looks like they’re giving the Gov the middle finger and reopening tomorrow. The CEO has made multiple appearances on CNBC and Fox news complaining. I’m glad to see he actually has some intestinal fortitude. Stay tuned. Go Team open.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess you have a point. They do seem to care when it’s a celebrity.

They make a documentary about the tragedy of Amy winehouse about once every 6 months...

There are small towns in Appalachia where they’ve had 10-20% of the population OD...with a high recurrence rate.

We’d never know.

 

[Flugell]

A death is a death, regardless of the reason. To be more upset or vocal over one cause vs another is pedantic if your true intention is to reduce the death toll.

That is exactly the message I was trying, apparently badly to convey. I have read the boards stating that there are many more deaths per year from other dreadful causes so they ask why bother with the virus? I have also read posts that state if the number of people who die with the virus is taken away from those who die of the virus then the death toll becomes less significant. I was merely pointing out the apparent hypocrisy in that. All deaths are tragic, no matter what the cause.

 

[Lilofan]

There should be a MAGA hat for sale. Masks Are Great Again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I just got an email from Lifetime. Looks like they’re giving the Gov the middle finger and reopening tomorrow. The CEO has made multiple appearances on CNBC and Fox news complaining. I’m glad to see he actually has some intestinal fortitude. Stay tuned. Go Team open.

That’s just not a good move if the data doesn’t support it. It has to be about the data. Another 10 days to wait is just that...10 days

This idea it’s a constitutional/liberty issue is without merit.