Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MagicRat]

Can you imagine the mayhem if you started a movement where every DVC member who may lose points because they can't travel made bookings to house homeless people or even donated bookings to cast members who are struggling with their rent?

My wife works for a nonprofit health care company and that is exactly what hotels are doing right now. My question is why isn’t Disney already doing this?

 

[rnese]

"Suggesting" is the operative word in that report. When videos of actual doctors reporting on what they've witnessed (padded numbers) get removed from major platforms such as YT and FB, it "suggests" that there is some form of a cover up.

I chose to be a skeptic. When I witness something like that it raises a red flag. No doubt.

 

[sedati]

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

 

[WDWTrojan]

Dr. Birx admitted that unlike other countries, when someone died with Covid-19 present we count it as a Covid-19 death. I have a friend of the family who's a healthcare worker and confirms. They're declaring someone in hospice who contracts it as a Covid-19 death. There are reports of it everywhere if you chose to look. There are doctors on tv everyday voicing their concerns with that policy.

No. She admitted that we are counting deaths where COVID-19 is a contributing factor. That's all. It is a conspiracy theory to assume otherwise. A gunshot death would not have any contributing factors.

Again, we can see the total # of deaths in impacted areas rising dramatically, which tells us that the # of COVID-19 deaths is likely under-reported, if anything.

 

[wdisney9000]

A cover up being orchestrated by a few hundred different jurisdictions, agencies and companies?

It was strictly an example. Applying "suggest" to any information allows plausibility.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I chose to be a skeptic. When I witness something like that it raises a red flag. No doubt.

I’m running low on red flags. When you have a chance, could you send me some in bulk?

 

[wdisney9000]

I chose to be a skeptic. When I witness something like that it raises a red flag. No doubt.

Shame that if you simply choose to not blindly follow what you're told you are immediately labelled. Dissent is not tolerated.

 

[rnese]

I’m running low on red flags. When you have a chance, could you send me some in bulk?

I'm all out. Used them up on all your posts.

 

[rnese]

No. She admitted that we are counting deaths where COVID-19 is a contributing factor. That's all. It is a conspiracy theory to assume otherwise. A gunshot death would not have any contributing factors.

Again, we can see the total # of deaths in impacted areas rising dramatically, which tells us that the # of COVID-19 deaths is likely under-reported, if anything.

Source?

 

[rnese]

Shame that if you simply choose to not blindly follow what you're told you are immediately labelled. Dissent is forbidden

Some of us just chose to seek out as much information as possible before we come to a conclusion. Others, watch Late Night comedians.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Source?

Goes into great detail here as it relates to COD :

Social Media Posts Make Baseless Claim on COVID-19 Death Toll - FactCheck.org

Viral posts wrongly suggest that the COVID-19 death toll is exaggerated because "the state" has instructed that "anyone who didnt die by a gun shot wound or car accident" be listed as a coronavirus victim. Experts say there is no such default classification -- and that the U.S. death count is...

www.factcheck.org

If you'd like more details on just how many are being undercounted, you can get more info here:

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

 

[rnese]

Goes into great detail here as it relates to COD :

Social Media Posts Make Baseless Claim on COVID-19 Death Toll - FactCheck.org

Viral posts wrongly suggest that the COVID-19 death toll is exaggerated because "the state" has instructed that "anyone who didnt die by a gun shot wound or car accident" be listed as a coronavirus victim. Experts say there is no such default classification -- and that the U.S. death count is...

www.factcheck.org

If you'd like more details on just how many are being undercounted, you can get more info here:

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

Ok. You just used 2 sources that many would say are biased. Now, they ARE sources. I COULD also provide 2 sources...biased of course...to support the opposite. Now that being said, can we agree that we should be skeptical about it all?

 

[Andrew C]

A spike as you start to reopen things is inevitable. The key is not letting any hot spots gain traction.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Ok. You just used 2 sources that many would say are biased. Now, they ARE sources. I COULD also provide 2 sources...biased of course...to support the opposite. Now that being said, can we agree that we should be skeptical about it all?

What is biased about them? They use primary sources and have a full list of their citations. The CDC provides the guidance of how hospitals are to list deaths and when they may be considered COVID-19, including a breakdown of Birx' statements. It's not biased just because the facts don't line up with a pre-determined belief.

 

[JohnD]

Looks like FL is largely following the federal guidelines so minimum 2 weeks of phase 1 but could be longer.

No WDW immediate open but slow and steady wins the race. I would love it if it opens by 5/25 but that may be a stretch. But if it does as a resort guest, 50% capacity sounds wonderful. If everyone wears a mask fine with me. ADRs might get cancelled but I can handle counter service.

 

[The Mom]

Is it me, or is there no chart in that link?

Looks like they took it down?

 

[WDWTrojan]

No WDW immediate open but slow and steady wins the race. I would love it if it opens by 5/25 but that may be a stretch. But if it does as a resort guest, 50% capacity sounds wonderful. If everyone wears a mask fine with me. ADRs might get cancelled but I can handle counter service.

No chance for 5/25. It takes one month to get to Phase 3 without any setbacks.

 

[GoofGoof]

No WDW immediate open but slow and steady wins the race. I would love it if it opens by 5/25 but that may be a stretch. But if it does as a resort guest, 50% capacity sounds wonderful. If everyone wears a mask fine with me. ADRs might get cancelled but I can handle counter service.

It’s odd that you want to talk about WDW in this politics thread but I’m game

It will be interesting to see what the local guidance is that comes out Friday. The other thing is they don’t really address what changes in phase 2. IMHO WDW has to wait for phase 3 (based on the federal guidelines) but I don’t make that call. It will be up to the weatherman and Chappie. If they give the green light to open in phase 2 then 5/25 is probably right around that time.

The capacity limit is going to be interesting to see too. So 50% of full capacity with everything open at MK is way more people than will show up. That number could be reduced dramatically if a number of attractions are closed. Disney could also limit the capacity further than required. The real tricky parts will be ADRs and transport.

The other thing that Disney could do which was rumored in the other thread is a phased opening starting with just MK and monorail resorts. That could be in phase 2 with a full opening in phase 3. The only thing I know for sure is I have no idea what’s going to happen.

 

[jensenrick]

I was luckily debarked off a Disney ship before the US stopped allowing crew to debark. But yes there are still many crew on board, some still working and some « on vacation » but aren’t able to leave.

Omg, how awful. Another terrible example of how people can be imprisoned indefinitely, while having committed no crime.

 

[DisneyCane]

Saw most of his press conference and I’m not sure how I feel. When he said he is driven by data and the medical doctors and hospitals, I said good. He is opening the right way in my opinion. When it came to questions about a possible spike and would he pull back, he went right into irrational talking points. “ Well, did the spike come from what we did?”.. “ we would look at it and check the data”. Not many would want to be proven that they did wrong so I worry about the reasons it did spike, IF it happened. Then went into some other political talking points, which is fine, I get it. They all do it. I just hope it goes well for everyone in Florida.

I think what he was talking about is that if there is a spike related to a particular location, gathering or nursing home that can be isolated as the source and drives the statistics that it doesn't mean restaurants can't have dine in service again if the spike had nothing to do with restaurants.