Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Here's the summary of the new "Emergency Temporary Standard" OSHA information on vaccination and testing. The vaccination deadline is set for January 4th.


Here is the rule on testing for employees who are not fully vaccinated -

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Main site -

This is expected to be challenged in courts by certain states pretty much right away. Also, some businesses as well. Let the games begin...
 

ABQ

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I don't know how to respond...Dare to dream?
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Timmay

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Or, people could just act like adults, do the right thing, free of charge, and at their own convenience. Then we wouldn't need mandates, would we?
Or, we can see this through if it’s challenged, as we should. Of the six OSHA ETS that have been legally challenged, 5 have been deemed to be OSHA overstepping their authority. Just because something is right doesn’t mean you can do something wrong to make people do it.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Or, we can see this through if it’s challenged, as we should. Of the six OSHA ETS that have been legally challenged, 5 have been deemed to be OSHA overstepping their authority. Just because something is right doesn’t mean you can do something wrong to make people do it.
Si. If someone feels the executive branch oversteps its authority, the courts are there to make a determination. It is our three branch system. Whether I think everyone should get their vaccines or not has no bearing on the process.
 

MisterPenguin

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A big problem is waning immunity which is why Israel saw and why they had a massive Delta surge despite being the most vaccinated country on Earth.
That is completely false.

Israel was indeed way ahead of everyone in vaccinations, but that leveled off once they hit their share of anti-vaxxers.

The U.S. has just as high vaccination rate as compared to Israel.

**But ISRAEL!!** is a favorite talking point of anti-vaxxers who can't keep their bad faith arguments up to date.

When Delta came, Israel was slammed because of their 30-35% anti-vax population.

Israel is not a case of "almost everyone" vaccinated and the vaccines did no good. What is no good is your information, trotting out anti-vax talking points with demonstrably false information.

Israel's vaccine rate:

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US vaccine rate:

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And when Delta came, why did the U.S. and Israel get slammed? Anti-vaxxers refusing to get vaccinated...

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JoeCamel

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That is completely false.

Israel was indeed way ahead of everyone in vaccinations, but that leveled off once they hit their share of anti-vaxxers.

The U.S. has just as high vaccination rate as compared to Israel.

**But ISRAEL!!** is a favorite talking point of anti-vaxxers who can't keep their bad faith arguments up to date.

When Delta came, Israel was slammed because of their 30-35% anti-vax population.

Israel is not a case of "almost everyone" vaccinated and the vaccines did no good. What is no good is your information, trotting out anti-vax talking points with demonstrably false information.

Israel's vaccine rate:

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US vaccine rate:

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And when Delta came, why did the U.S. and Israel get slammed? Anti-vaxxers refusing to get vaccinated...

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There you go with facts rather than talking points. How are we supposed to go back and forth for 20-30 pages with facts like these? Get me some "could be" and "maybe" so I have something to bite on.
 

Chip Chipperson

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There you go with facts rather than talking points. How are we supposed to go back and forth for 20-30 pages with facts like these? Get me some "could be" and "maybe" so I have something to bite on.

COVID-19 could be genetically modified by aliens from Pluto who are using it to decide who is smart enough to continue living on this planet and who will be the "dumb muscle" packed onto space ships for the sole purpose of shoveling enough dirt onto the surface of the so-called "dwarf planet" until it is large enough to regain its status as a planet. Maybe the people who organized the event in Dallas where people were waiting on the undead JFK and JFK, Jr. to appear were really just alien recruiters in disguise.

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JoeCamel

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COVID-19 could be genetically modified by aliens from Pluto who are using it to decide who is smart enough to continue living on this planet and who will be the "dumb muscle" packed onto space ships for the sole purpose of shoveling enough dirt onto the surface of the so-called "dwarf planet" until it is large enough to regain its status as a planet. Maybe the people who organized the event in Dallas where people were waiting on the undead JFK and JFK, Jr. to appear were really just alien recruiters in disguise.

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I heard the reason we have a chip shortage is they chopped them all up for the 5G vaccine chip
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Businesses can do the right thing... when they realize it costs more not to...

“This was a business decision,” Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, which represents thousands of workers at Tyson’s poultry plants, said of the mandate. “There isn’t enough of a supply of workers to take the place if a large number of workers are getting sick.”​

 

Nubs70

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I'm scared about post Thanksgiving spike / surge....it will may happen or not.
Look what is happening in Germany. Cases are climbing as temperature is falling. Another factor in Germany is the degree of post construction insulation, as this further lowers indoor air turnover.

It would be interesting to see a time series graph with surges superimposed against deviation from 72F.
 

correcaminos

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Look what is happening in Germany. Cases are climbing as temperature is falling. Another factor in Germany is the degree of post construction insulation, as this further lowers indoor air turnover.

It would be interesting to see a time series graph with surges superimposed against deviation from 72F.
Oh geez, that's about the worst thing to say in reply to the poster. Makes zero sense too if you look at more temperate weathers. Florida rose and fell with higher temps.

France isn't doing what Germany is. Nor is Spain.

Best answer is we don't know yet.
 

Heppenheimer

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Look what is happening in Germany. Cases are climbing as temperature is falling. Another factor in Germany is the degree of post construction insulation, as this further lowers indoor air turnover.

It would be interesting to see a time series graph with surges superimposed against deviation from 72F.


The Süddeutsche Zeitung (South German Times, basically, the main newspaper for Munich) has some interesting graphics (scroll down to "Das Wichtigste zum Coronavirus"):


The "Übersicht" shows a map of Germany, and breaks down case by Kreis, which is roughly equivalent to a county in the US. Most of the dark red areas are clustered in the Bundesländer (roughly equivalent to a US state) in Bayern (Bavaria), Thüringen and Sachsen (Saxony). Baden-Württemberg and Brandenburg also aren't doing so hot.

Now....click on the heading "Impfung" (vaccination), and low and behold, look who occupies 5 of the 6 lowest positions for percentage of the population? Why, it's those same 5 Bundesländer, plus Sachsen Anhalt, who also is mostly pink, red and dark red on the map. The most vaccinated Bundesland is Bremen, and although this small state is a little hard to find on the map if you don't know German geography well, they are currently in yellow. The other most vaccinated Bundesländer, Saarland, Schleswig-Holstein and even densely-populated Nordrhein-Westfalen, all contain mostly yellow (Hamburg is in pink, though).

So, when you look at vaccination rates and what we saw over the summer in the US, none of this should be a surprise. If Germany is now getting hit by delta for the first time, delta is hitting hardest first where vaccination rates are the lowest (Sachsen is particularly low for vaccination rates). Being a smaller, more densely populated country, though, I suspect this wave of the virus will probably spread throughout Germany quicker than it did in the US, unless the worsening numbers in other Bundesländer really motivates some of the hold-outs to get vaccinated quickly.

Also, if you can understand German, one of the articles on this page notes that 57% of Germans favor a vaccine mandate ("Mehrheit der Deutschen für Impfpflicht").

As to the last point, except maybe in the dead of winter when a few areas get very cold, but most of the country stays rather mild (unless you're from the southern US and you consider temps in the 40s icy cold), Germany has much less regional variation in temperatures than the US. And having lived in Germany for awhile, I can report that people generally stay outside for as long as possible throughout the year. Dining outdoors is far more common for most of the year than in the US. Even the Biergartens of Munich will fill up in the middle of the winter if it isn't too cold or rainy outside. And December is Weihnachtstmarkt time, which are exclusively held outdoors.

As I've demonstrated, the current pattern in Germany follows vaccination rates much more closely than temperature variations from 72 degrees. I will admit, though that the regions of the country that usually have the coldest winters (southern Bayern and parts of Sachsen) currently show some of the highest COVID rates, but they're currently not in the depths of winter there right now.
 
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