Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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I do every year for the flu for the bolded. Mostly out of curiosity. My doc does for other things which is how I knew to get a whooping cough booster a couple times.

However I never let either really worry me much. Covid absolutely did at first and still does in countries where vaccines are low and such. Covid numbers have been off since home testing was the way to do it starting in the fall. Especially in terms of positivity.

Your argument italicized mentioned goes both ways. Many who were largely unconcerned use certain arguments to prove they were right. That's why this all still sucks. Too many who want to justify vs actually consider what might be best.
Fair enough. Much of the continued arguing is because of the wide variability in what is considered "best."
 

Touchdown

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I don’t know if I would restrict my gaze to only ICU cases, yes a majority of that number dies but floor patients still die at a 20% ratio, I personally look to hospitalizations. The good news is, those numbers are still low and case numbers do not seem to be increasing at an exponential rate. I’m still not really worried.
 

helenabear

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Fair enough. Much of the continued arguing is because of the wide variability in what is considered "best."
And I firmly believe that it can vary too. I'm the rule follower of course but I want it to make sense. I also want people to be comfortable. If me masking is what it takes, meh. I prefer not to but... meh it all. I think in the beginning it was far more scary and I understand what happened and why. I think adjusting to realities is smart.

They are doing wastewater surveillance in many areas.

My state has been using it for awhile, but it was only recently added to the national tracking. You can view the national data here.
They've been doing my area for a while too. Times when waste water and cases recorded didn't quite match. But interesting to follow.

I don’t know if I would restrict my gaze to only ICU cases, yes a majority of that number dies but floor patients still die at a 20% ratio, I personally look to hospitalizations. The good news is, those numbers are still low and case numbers do not seem to be increasing at an exponential rate. I’m still not really worried.
To me severity of hospitalizations and why they are hospitalized matter. But yes I care about that and nuances with. If you are in the hospital with covid and not for covid that nuance does matter.
 

Heelz2315

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Due to the proliferation of at home testing, "the numbers" that some love so much are rendered essentially meaningless.

I wouldn't say they're meaningless. There's 3 metrics the CDC uses to gauge low/medium/high. Case #'s are one, hospital admittance and ICU beds are the other two. If one of those go out of their range your county changes categories.

I'm wondering if the case # goes over 200 and Orange Co goes into moderate/yellow and higher into the high/red it'll be interesting to see how WDW handles it. Esp if Orange Co Ca. is in the low category.

I think WDW does not want to bring masks back but if things creep up to a certain level I wonder if they'll say the heck with it. They handle it like a pool with no lifeguard. Swim at your own risk type a thing.
 

Kevin_W

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Outside of this thread, I haven't seen any "numbers" for months. SARS-CoV-2 and resultant COVID-19 cases will likely exist for hundreds of years. The obsession with rising "numbers" is disturbing to me. As long as the vaccines remain capable of significantly lowering the risk of severe illness and death, what's the difference?

You only haven't seen them if you haven't looked. My school district stop publishing, and the state went to weekly instead of daily, but the weekly state numbers are still there. And the CDC/John Hopkins/Our World in Data/etc, never stopped publishing. Tey still are in regular news articles on USA today and the NYT daily summary.

To circle back to WDW, I continue to believe strongly, based on observations and data, that the overwhelming majority of people who "feel safe" traveling and visiting leisure destinations have very little concern about COVID on a daily basis. There are people like me who were never really that concerned and there are other people who aren't concerned because they are vaccinated now.

I agree. Or even if concerned feel the risk is worth taking. We are all as vaccinated as can be (and I had Omicron on top of that) so have gone about traveling pretty much the same as pre-pandemic. We went to Italy for spring break and while it wasn't "normal" (showing vaccine cards and wearing KN95 to go inside pretty much anywhere) if still was close to normal. There was a little trepidation over having to get a negative test <24 hrs before your return flight, but partly because of that flights were really cheap and I'm glad we took advantage of that.
 

DisneyCane

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You only haven't seen them if you haven't looked. My school district stop publishing, and the state went to weekly instead of daily, but the weekly state numbers are still there. And the CDC/John Hopkins/Our World in Data/etc, never stopped publishing. Tey still are in regular news articles on USA today and the NYT daily summary.
I should have been more clear. I haven't seen them BECAUSE I haven't looked. I haven't looked because I don't care anymore. All I care about at all anymore is if a variant pops up that significantly reduces the vaccine effectiveness at limiting severe illness.
 

mmascari

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I should have been more clear. I haven't seen them BECAUSE I haven't looked. I haven't looked because I don't care anymore.
Did you ever really care? 😉 (I kid, I kid, it's a joke not a real complaint.)

All I care about at all anymore is if a variant pops up that significantly reduces the vaccine effectiveness at limiting severe illness.
Someone needs to watch the numbers, since that's how we'll know this is happening. But, you're right it doesn't need to be everyone all the time.

Even the most inept reporting and most new adverse people will know that something bad has happened and we're in for trouble before Disney brings back any mitigation efforts. Because it will need to be really bad before they do.
 

Heelz2315

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Even the most inept reporting and most new adverse people will know that something bad has happened and we're in for trouble before Disney brings back any mitigation efforts. Because it will need to be really bad before they do.

I really wish I knew how bad was Disney's "bad" LOL Just get me to July 9 with no masks at WDW and I promise I won't bring this up anymore
 

ABQ

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To circle back to WDW, I continue to believe strongly, based on observations and data, that the overwhelming majority of people who "feel safe" traveling and visiting leisure destinations have very little concern about COVID on a daily basis. There are people like me who were never really that concerned and there are other people who aren't concerned because they are vaccinated now.
I feel I'm very much in that same camp. Went to WDW in Dec 2020 and even though vaccinations weren't available to me yet, felt OK about the safety as they were still hardcore in terms of limiting people, the presence of sanitizers and all. Then again in Nov 2021, by that point, been vaxxed, more guests, but still felt safe enough based on the current case rates and my own overall lifestyle in terms of health and well being. Then now just got back from a abut a week in Las Vegas with packed downtown casinos, packed strip casinos and it was almost hard to recall the virus existed. Thankfully my friends who flew down from Alberta, Canada passed their required pre-flight tests, but all 5 of them who tested in different locations had the same story. "They barely tapped the tip of my nose with the swab" Good for you Canada! If they don't require our citizenry to test when going north, provide the theater our CDC requires to go south and so be it.
 

mkt

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The only low transmission parts of Florida are now Gulf County and Lake Okeechobee.

Take whatever precautious you need.

source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=Florida&data-type=Risk
 

mmascari

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I really wish I knew how bad was Disney's "bad" LOL
I think it's safe to assume that it's really bad.

If I was guessing, something like this:

First it would get to a level that 25% of people think is bad, but not bad enough to change Disney.
Then, it would get to a level that 40% of people think is bad, and Disney will start to suggest changes coming.
Finally, it would get to a level that 45% or more of people think is bad, and Disney would start to do something, but nothing drastic.

Personally, I'm in one of those earlier groups, so I'll be worried about whatever bad is happening prior to Disney.

If I was also guessing where were are today, I would put it at under 10% of people think it's still bad right now. Probably under 5%. There's lots more that think it's "not great" now, but that's not the same as bad.

Hence, I wouldn't worry about Disney bringing back any mitigations efforts if that's your concern. Mitigation things will show up lots and lots of other places before they return to Disney. You'll have whatever is driving that badness to worry about then too, to take you mind off of whatever Disney is doing. :)


Things are a lot different today than they were back when Disney first reopened. Back then, they were doing things to attract people to come into the parks. A reopening from fully closed. Today, it would be the reverse, a move from fully open towards more mitigations. We've already talked about how Disney guests are a self selected population of people with a risk appetite that's likely larger than most. Nobody planning a Disney trip today is in the 5% that thinks it's bad already.
 

Dizneykid

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Is the current strain proving to be mild for unvaccinated people? It used to seem like every other case was asymptomatic in 2020.
 

DisneyCane

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The only low transmission parts of Florida are now Gulf County and Lake Okeechobee.

Take whatever precautious you need.

source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=Florida&data-type=Risk
From the CDC at the top of the map page:
CDC recommends use of COVID-19 Community Levels to determine the impact of COVID-19 on communities and take action. Community Transmission levels are provided for healthcare facility use only.
 

mmascari

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From the CDC at the top of the map page:
I thought you didn't trust the CDC? Change of heart? :cool:


At a public health level, FL is clearly not in danger of the healthcare system collapsing (not today anyway). The "Community Level" clearly shows that.

At a more personal level, the chance of dealing with the transmission of COVID to an individual, the "Community Transmission level" is probably a better metric. Also why healthcare settings would use it to judge individual risk.

It makes sense to make broad sweeping public mandates at the public level. They're designed to protect the system not any one person. We could argue over if the level is right, but whatever is, it's a public level to protect the system. For personal individual actions, it's more about protecting oneself. The transmission metric is a better guide for personal risk evaluation. Again, we could debate over which level is right, and every person could have their own personal level not matching the CDC colors. They're making a personal risk decision on what actions to take after all.


The two metrics have different goals.

Also the system doesn't care about any single personal outcome, just about the overall system.
 

Angel Ariel

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While an option should be given, with uptake already so low in 5-12 year olds, I can’t see those efficacy numbers persuading many parents of kids under age 5, especially when most kids have already had Covid.
As someone who runs early childhood classes that used to be primarily indoors that are now primarily outdoors due to parent concerns for this age level, I am hoping the availability of a vaccine will help our families return to indoor classes.
 

Angel Ariel

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Where? Seriously you stress way too much about this. The 7 day average is what it was in early March.

I seriously worry more about hospitalizations and deaths at this point. I really am not that worked up over ups and downs in actual case numbers.
My concern in case numbers is how it is impacting education.

As I shared earlier this week our school has outbreaks in classrooms across multiple grade levels. We’ve had 7 teachers out, with not enough subs to fill in for them. Current policy is those people are out for 10 days. It’s high enough that it’s impacting Special Ed services being delivered, our standardized tests are soon and obviously it’s impacting that, etc.

While I agree on a larger scale that hospitalizations and deaths are more a barometer for concern, there is still reason to pay attention to and have concern for case counts and how that is impacting the local community.
 

Heelz2315

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At a public health level, FL is clearly not in danger of the healthcare system collapsing (not today anyway). The "Community Level" clearly shows that.

At a more personal level, the chance of dealing with the transmission of COVID to an individual, the "Community Transmission level" is probably a better metric. Also why healthcare settings would use it to judge individual risk.

(in regards to Disney) ^^That's one big metric I think WDW uses. As long as Orange Co stays out of the red (and it'd probably have to stay red for 2-3 weeks before Disney acted) I don't think/believe they'll do anything. But who really knows
 
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