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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

DisneyCane

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Yes, I heard an interview with a WHO doc on the radio driving into work this morning and she was pretty straightforward with a bunch of "we don't know yet" statements.

But I want answers now! 😭

Then, I want to latch onto those answers in the future forever more as being the one and only answer. 🤔

Off to read up on tips for getting on ROTR from December 2019, I'm sure that information is still correct...
"We don't know yet" is exactly what the experts should be saying about this. I want them to give opinions AFTER they have gathered information and at least have very educated guesses. Then they aren't changing their minds all the time. They are waiting to form opinions until they have information and data.
 

Gringrinngghost

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Some notes from Biden's Presser on Omnicron:

Biden is not expecting at this moment further travel restrictions but it will be on the prevalence of transmission. Additional lockdowns are off the table for now. He is also waiting for Recommendations from his Medical teams for domestic proof of vaccinations and or tests for domestic flights.

Q: Thank You, Mister. President. The Uk Europe And A Growing Number Of Countries Have Confirmed Cases On The Finer. You Considering Additional Travel Restrictions On Countries With The Variant Has Been Detected And Just Separately You Urged Americans To Wear Masks In Indoor Public Spaces, But Many States And Cities Including Washington Dc Have Lifted Mask Mandates. Are You Calling On State Local Officials To Reinstate Mask Mandates.

Potus: With Regards To The Last Question. The Answer Is I Can Encourage Everyone To Wear A Mask When You're Indoors In A Crowd Of Circumstance Like We Are Right Now. And Unless You're Eating Or Speaking At A Microphone. Secondly, The Degree Of Spread Impacts On Whether Or Not There Is Need For Any Travel Restriction. But That's Not I Don't Anticipate That At This Point And We'll See.

Q: Mister President Is This The New Normal That Americans Should Expect Anticipating Future A Potential Variants. Expect Intermittent Travel Restrictions And Potential Drops In The Stock Market Going Forward Given Any Words Of Reassurance That This Will Become The New Normal. And Then For Both You And Doctor Fauci. Doctor Fauci Said Cbs That A Lockdown Shutdowns Are Off On The Table For A Restraining Could Be Going Forward. He Said That Will Be Part Of Your Plan On Thursday. But Why Is That? Are You Taking That Off The Table.

Potus: Answer Your First Question The Answer Is I Expect This To Not To Be The New Normal. I Expect The New Normal To Be Everyone Ends Up Getting Vaccinations Booster Shots. So We Reduce The Number Of People Who Were Unprotected To Such A Low Degree That We're Not Seeing The Spread Of These Fires. Now We Remain To Be Seen Exactly What The Elements Of This Particular Strain Are. But It Has. I Hope Then Not Can Be Fundamentally Different. Then In The Past. And In Terms Of What Was At The Table, You Ways That Will Because We're Able To If People Are Vaccinated And Wear Their Mask. There's No Need For Lockdowns.

Q: A Nice Going On From That Question. We've Got The Christmas Seasom Coming Up, Huge Amount Of Travel. Would You Given Any Thought To Doemsitc Flights Requring Tests Or Vaccines Before People Get On Planes? The Same Way They Do For International Flights?

Potus: With This Point. That's Not Recommend It. I Would Make For My The Scientific Community To Give Can Be Recommendation On That.

 
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DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Some notes from Biden's Presser on Omnicron:

Biden is not expecting at this moment further travel restrictions but it will be on the prevalence of transmission. Additional lockdowns are off the table for now. He is also waiting for Recommendations from his Medical teams for domestic proof of vaccinations and or tests for domestic flights.

Quotes soon.
Whatever he said at least the stock market seemed to like it. Much better than Friday for my portfolio!
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
"We don't know yet" is exactly what the experts should be saying about this. I want them to give opinions AFTER they have gathered information and at least have very educated guesses. Then they aren't changing their minds all the time. They are waiting to form opinions until they have information and data.
Yes (mostly) and no (sort of, with lots of nuance).

In this specific case, Yes I would like them to get some more data first. But, no, I don't want them to wait forever. At some point, they need to give some opinions based on what's known so far. And those will change as what's known so far changes. Cannot wait until we know everything, need to make some educated guesses as we go. But, also shouldn't be making those when we don't even know enough to start.

Today, for Omnicron, I get that we're early enough that there isn't really a "known so far" as even a little seed to base stuff on. Which actually brings up a better question. Why don't know already know how Omnicron is spreading in the US? It's certainly here and spreading already. Anyone who thinks we've managed to keep Omnicron out and that it's not here yet, I've got a bridge you may be interested in, cheap.

Or, perhaps a sure ROTR boarding group strategy. See, first you get to the park at soft open, then you hover your finger over the button at exactly real open, make sure you're already past the tap points and inside the park. Then you remember that plan is 2 years old and you've already missed your chance to ride ROTR because "known so far" has completely changed. :p
 

Heppenheimer

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Yes (mostly) and no (sort of, with lots of nuance).

In this specific case, Yes I would like them to get some more data first. But, no, I don't want them to wait forever. At some point, they need to give some opinions based on what's known so far. And those will change as what's known so far changes. Cannot wait until we know everything, need to make some educated guesses as we go. But, also shouldn't be making those when we don't even know enough to start.

Today, for Omnicron, I get that we're early enough that there isn't really a "known so far" as even a little seed to base stuff on. Which actually brings up a better question. Why don't know already know how Omnicron is spreading in the US? It's certainly here and spreading already. Anyone who thinks we've managed to keep Omnicron out and that it's not here yet, I've got a bridge you may be interested in, cheap.

Or, perhaps a sure ROTR boarding group strategy. See, first you get to the park at soft open, then you hover your finger over the button at exactly real open, make sure you're already past the tap points and inside the park. Then you remember that plan is 2 years old and you've already missed your chance to ride ROTR because "known so far" has completely changed. :p
Another example. In medicine, we often need to make initial treatments choices before we have all of our necessary clinical data. As this comes in, you fine-tune the plan, or in some cases, you make a complete 180 degree turn in treatment strategy when the initial suspicion ends of up being wrong. You don't just observe the patient and possibly let them crash while waiting for result of every test. For example, most patient's will receive initial empiric treatment for pneumonia based on what antibiotics will likely work, not based on precise culture results that demonstrate the exact infecting organism and its antibiotic sensitivities. In most cases, this information will never be known, but the "good enough" treatment will work nonetheless.

We can extrapolate this idea to public health. Right now, I don't think we need to rush into doing anything different until we either know more about omicron or have evidence that out existing strategies for dealing with COVID will be inadequate for this variant (but I do think we should be doing more against delta anyway, but that's a different debate...) However, we should take the necessary "do no harm" precautions, like at least doing the preliminary work on reconfiguring the mRNA vaccines, in case this ends up being needed.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Another example. In medicine, we often need to make initial treatments choices before we have all of our necessary clinical data. As this comes in, you fine-tune the plan, or in some cases, you make a complete 180 degree turn in treatment strategy when the initial suspicion ends of up being wrong. You don't just observe the patient and possibly let them crash while waiting for result of every test. For example, most patient's will receive initial empiric treatment for pneumonia based on what antibiotics will likely work, not based on precise culture results that demonstrate the exact infecting organism and its antibiotic sensitivities. In most cases, this information will never be known, but the "good enough" treatment will work nonetheless.

We can extrapolate this idea to public health. Right now, I don't think we need to rush into doing anything different until we either know more about omicron or have evidence that out existing strategies for dealing with COVID will be inadequate for this variant (but I do think we should be doing more against delta anyway, but that's a different debate...) However, we should take the necessary "do no harm" precautions, like at least doing the preliminary work on reconfiguring the mRNA vaccines, in case this ends up being needed.
Exactly right. We need opinions from the experts before all data is in to make the best and safest decisions before the “oops “ moment of we should have done something. If we all waited for all the data we will be waiting another 5 years. Also, why need experts then, just publish the findings on Facebook and everyone will know, no need for the middle man.( The Facebook comment was a joke, referring to the people that get their news on that platform). Ok, bad joke at that.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Eh, people receiving the same brand booster don't have to hang around the 15 minutes afterwards. There is limited waiting areas where available. i.e. go stand in this corner for 15 minutes. The local hospital is vaccinating 5-11yos only.

Just got my booster this morning at Walgreens, after my shot she handed me my updated card and said I was good to go. I asked if I needed to wait 15 minutes and she said since I didn’t have a reaction to the first 2 shots it wasn’t necessary. I walked next door and grabbed a Starbucks so I’d be in public just in case.

Fingers crossed I just have a sore arm like my first shot and not the week of exhaustion that followed my second.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Lockdowns should never be on the table ever again. They don’t work and actually make the fight against COVID more difficult because you remove natural immunity from the equation.
No authoritative source in the US is calling for lockdowns, nor has anyone in over a year. Why are people still acting like any suggestion on mitigation strategies equals lockdowns and nothing else?

"Natural immunity" is not a viable strategy either because relying on it means the virus is still spreading exponentially, filling up hospitals, killing people, and giving SARS-Cov-2 more and more chances to mutate.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Whatever he said at least the stock market seemed to like it. Much better than Friday for my portfolio!
We need more optimism than pessimism in order to drive the market bulls to keep running . Lockdowns is actually the stock market kryptonite but some investors with cash that bought at market lows in summer of 2020 and reaping net worth rewards a plenty a year later.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Anyone who is passing out is doing so from the needle or act of injection, not from anything particular in the COVID vaccines. The thing that they're monitoring for is severe allergic reaction.
Seems odd that some posters say that per the pharmacist they didn't have to stay. I'm glad our pharmacist made us stay for 15 min sitting in the seats next to the pharmacist station in case of allergic reaction.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Seems odd that some posters say that per the pharmacist they didn't have to stay. I'm glad our pharmacist made us stay for 15 min sitting in the seats next to the pharmacist station in case of allergic reaction.
They didn't have to stay *for the second dose and/or the booster*. The first dose, second dose, and third dose are exactly the same stuff. Having an allergic reaction after your second dose when you didn't have one after your first dose isn't a thing. It's not possible. The (correct) assumption is that if you were fine after your first, you'll be fine after your second.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Just got my booster this morning at Walgreens, after my shot she handed me my updated card and said I was good to go. I asked if I needed to wait 15 minutes and she said since I didn’t have a reaction to the first 2 shots it wasn’t necessary. I walked next door and grabbed a Starbucks so I’d be in public just in case.

Fingers crossed I just have a sore arm like my first shot and not the week of exhaustion that followed my second.
DW and I get our boosters on Friday. 8 year old gets her second dose this evening...that's that... 🤷‍♂️
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
DW and I get our boosters on Friday. 8 year old gets her second dose this evening...that's that... 🤷‍♂️
That’s how I feel also, I’ve done what I can do. I “bought” myself another six months of relatively stress free freedom, hopefully in 6 months Covid will be under control, if not I’ll have to make another booster decision… but for now I’ve done what I can, that’s that.
 

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