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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I almost wish they wouldn't use the orange shading to indicate where they are, as it only shows 1 dose. Obviously many could be J&J, 1 and done, jabs, but it would be more telling to show fully vaccinated status vs 1 dose.
Fully vaccinated is what matters for protection (especially vs delta) but at least one dose gives you a good idea on vaccine hesitancy and who still needs to go. The US just hit 75% of adults with at least 1 dose meaning we are down to 25% of adults who are in the vaccine hesitant camp (some hesitant for legit medical reasons). We still need all the people with 1 dose of Pfizer or Moderna to finish their series for full protection.
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Fully vaccinated is what matters for protection (especially vs delta) but at least one dose gives you a good idea on vaccine hesitancy and who still needs to go. The US just hit 75% of adults with at least 1 dose meaning we are down to 25% of adults who are in the vaccine hesitant camp (some hesitant for legit medical reasons). We still need all the people with 1 dose of Pfizer or Moderna to finish their series for full protection.
I agree, but it's misleading due to the unknown piece of the equation that leads to the image. How many first doses are J&J first and final doses and how many are Pfizer or Moderna? Can't really use it to figure out hesitancy unless they carve out how many were first doses of two which are well passed their second shot window.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
While numbers look somewhat encouraging over the past few days, this is never a great sign.

Is COVID-19 pandemic WILL be longer for many many years to come?

I guess federal transportation will keep mask mandate for many years for this.......

As we will NEVER get back to normal as the millions of people will die as the world will ending very soon....

Mask mandate along with social distancing will be longer FOREVER....

No one will stop the pandemic for good. @GoofGoof

This COVID-19 problems will be forever for years to come.

As this is going to be pain our butts for rest for our lives.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I agree, but it's misleading due to the unknown piece of the equation that leads to the image. How many first doses are J&J first and final doses and how many are Pfizer or Moderna? Can't really use it to figure out hesitancy unless they carve out how many were first doses of two which are well passed their second shot window.
I just assume if you took at least 1 dose you aren’t in the camp that needs to be convinced anymore.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
I agree, but it's misleading due to the unknown piece of the equation that leads to the image. How many first doses are J&J first and final doses and how many are Pfizer or Moderna? Can't really use it to figure out hesitancy unless they carve out how many were first doses of two which are well passed their second shot window.
If you dwell on the numbers you will not get the whole picture. Third doses administered shows up as first doses and when not followed by a "second" dose in the system it skews the numbers for the incomplete cats. This is an inexact science so all you can do is follow the trends.
 

DisneyCane

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Is COVID-19 pandemic WILL be longer for many many years to come?

I guess federal transportation will keep mask mandate for many years for this.......

As we will NEVER get back to normal as the millions of people will die as the world will ending very soon....

Mask mandate along with social distancing will be longer FOREVER....

No one will stop the pandemic for good. @GoofGoof

This COVID-19 problems will be forever for years to come.

As this is going to be pain our butts for rest for our lives.
Unfortunately they are probably correct. It's basically going to turn into a situation where, like the flu, there is a shot you can take yearly that protects you from severe illness for the most part. Time to move on from mitigation, especially once 5-11 can be vaccinated, because it is pretty pointless.

The USA may reach a period of very low spread after enough are vaccinated combined with those naturally infected. Then, one year there will be a new strain which evades previous immunity and we'll be back to square one again until people get vaccine shots designed to target the new strain.
 

DisneyCane

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I don’t disagree with this, but when we see hospitals nearing capacity in some places a downward trend is a very welcome sign for sure. I’m not saying covid is over, just that FL has hopefully peaked and things may begin to improve some for the hospitals and their staff.
My prediction from over a month ago was that FL will be back to June levels before the 50th at WDW. Let's hope I was right!
 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Having mask mandates and other restrictions for fully vaccinated people is mind-numbingly stupid, if the goal is to try and convince as many people as possible to get vaccinated. That strategy has backfired immensely.
We went down that path back in April when the CDC dropped masks for fully vaccinated people and it didn’t move the needle on vaccinations at all. They actually slowed further at the time. That talking point was fully debunked and I was one of the people who bought into it at least somewhat back then. Nothing is going to convince most of the remaining people to “choose” to be vaccinated. The only answer is to require vaccinations for people to show up at workplaces and for activities that involve large groups of people like cruises, theme parks, airlines, bars/clubs and sporting events. So far the employment strategy has been pretty successful but we need much more of it and more widespread adoption.
 

TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
Yup! My personal favorite is still that they won't be a guinea pig. Ummmm.... no we did that already.
Yup, my friend mentions the guinea pig quite a bit as well!

Having mask mandates and other restrictions for fully vaccinated people is mind-numbingly stupid, if the goal is to try and convince as many people as possible to get vaccinated. That strategy has backfired immensely.

I am vacinated, I wear a mask, don’t eat indoors, and practice social distancing. It’s not difficult.
 

91JLovesDisney

Well-Known Member
Am I the first to bring up that some hospitals (In the US at least) have been stating that a patient isn't fully vaccinated until 14 days after the second shot? No big deal, right?

Well if a patient comes in less than 14 days after the second dose with COVID symptoms (which the vax actually gave them), they're added to the number of hospitalized COVID patients. 🤡
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
I am vacinated, I wear a mask, don’t eat indoors, and practice social distancing. It’s not difficult.
It may not be "difficult" but I doubt too many people desire to live like that long term. If COVID is around forever and the vaccines never come close to preventing spread, do you intend to do these "not difficult" things for years or decades?
 

Chomama

Well-Known Member
It may not be "difficult" but I doubt too many people desire to live like that long term. If COVID is around forever and the vaccines never come close to preventing spread, do you intend to do these "not difficult" things for years or decades?
Yes I do. At least until my kids are fully vaxxed and their risk of contracting Covid and having serious side effects seems to have passed. It really isnt a challenge. The best way I have heard it described is that when you are vaccinated and Cove it is spreading as rapidly as it is right now, then you should know that your risk is low enough to go on and live your life high enough to take reasonable precautions. To me wearing a mask and eating outside our reasonable precautions. The definition of reasonable is going to be different for everyone but I think it is clear at this point the number one thing we all need to do is get vaccinated. If the spread slows down then, and many others, will find it reasonable to engage in more and more activities, just like we were in June. If it picks back up it is spreading like wildfire again we will return to you more caution. It may Evan flow for a bit and that is just the way we are going to have to live. If you do not want to live that way you do not have to. I don’t really think it’s worth getting worked up about other people choosing to avoid more high-risk situations even if they are vaccinated when Covid is spreading as rapidly as it is
 

Chomama

Well-Known Member
Yes I do. At least until my kids are fully vaxxed and their risk of contracting Covid and having serious side effects seems to have passed. It really isnt a challenge. The best way I have heard it described is that when you are vaccinated and Cove it is spreading as rapidly as it is right now, then you should know that your risk is low enough to go on and live your life high enough to take reasonable precautions. To me wearing a mask and eating outside our reasonable precautions. The definition of reasonable is going to be different for everyone but I think it is clear at this point the number one thing we all need to do is get vaccinated. If the spread slows down then, and many others, will find it reasonable to engage in more and more activities, just like we were in June. If it picks back up it is spreading like wildfire again we will return to you more caution. It may Evan flow for a bit and that is just the way we are going to have to live. If you do not want to live that way you do not have to. I don’t really think it’s worth getting worked up about other people choosing to avoid more high-risk situations even if they are vaccinated when Covid is spreading as rapidly as it is
Are used voice text for that response so please excuse the typos
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
We went down that path back in April when the CDC dropped masks for fully vaccinated people and it didn’t move the needle on vaccinations at all. They actually slowed further at the time. That talking point was fully debunked and I was one of the people who bought into it at least somewhat back then. Nothing is going to convince most of the remaining people to “choose” to be vaccinated. The only answer is to require vaccinations for people to show up at workplaces and for activities that involve large groups of people like cruises, theme parks, airlines, bars/clubs and sporting events. So far the employment strategy has been pretty successful but we need much more of it and more widespread adoption.
The employment strategy has some fans and non fans. The non fans think is a negative incentive but I'm in the group that support the idea. Get vaccinated or risk losing your job. Whatever the case, Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel is a happy guy. He reached billionaire status in the spring of 2021, current net worth $14B.
 
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