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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

carolina_yankee

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The parks have been open for awhile with no hit to public perception.

If the public was concerned about the virus you would see a lot more people wearing masks at the parks.

Heck the UK has opened back up right in the middle of the spike and we are gonna close down again?

Makes no sense.
I seriously doubt anybody anywhere is going to close down again if there is ready access to vaccines. That’s the ticket out of this, as you’ve emphasized. However, if hospitalizations increase to dangerous levels, I can see indoor-masking coming back, and perhaps capacity constraInts.

New Jersey’s position is that the overwhelming decisive metric in bringing back masking is hospitalizations. Right now, our capacity is just fine, so it’s not on the table. Honestly, I wouldn’t set foot in Florida without masking given their numbers. I bet well over half the people at WDW aren’t vaccinated. So, Disney’s off my list for quite some time.

Maybe September 2022 (fifteen anniversary of our DisneyMoon), but I won’t go if masking is required (no fun), or necessary by circumstances (Also no fun).

I’m hoping over the next year people get a clue and vaccinate. Covid ain’t going away, so let’s live with it safely.
 

lisa12000

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My MIL was pinged and when she was done self-isolating, she had to get her car fixed and get some groceries. From doing that, she was pinged again. It's ridiculous. She was "free" for one day and had to self-isolate again.

yep sounds very familiar - my friend is a teacher so she ended up isolating for 10 days due her bubble popping - she was free for a day, went to Iceland - got pinged a day or so later!! That’s her fourth isolation in a few months
 
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carolina_yankee

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No the problem is with the attitude of those who refuse to get vaccinated.

But yeah I guess the real problem here is the vaccinated who don’t want to wear a mask.

That’s going to fix everything !
I would say the problem is the *unvaccinated* who don’t want to wear a mask. If you can’t tell who is vaccinated and who isn’t, and there is a rapid spread of COVID in your area, and you have an environment that is ripe for infection, then masking for all is logical.

That is, if Advent Health wants to get out of Condition Red and resume lucrative non-emergent surgeries again.

If you’re unvaccinated, get vaccinated, or wear a mask. If not, everybody gets to wear a mask. That’s how COVID works.
 

Trauma

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Wait…

did you not two days ago say you would “refuse and cancel” your august 11 trip if masks were required? Your words? (I may have you confused)

parlaying that to a pro-mask conspiracy is a bit of a “taint” now.

To be fair: no one wants masks…they are still unlikely…and I think if anything an indoor may be a step.

may last until the numbers go down to where they were in June. Frankly, the southern states screwed that up…but we can chew on that later
Yeah that was not me I’m going in September.
 

Trauma

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It is certainly not…and neither do I.

not unreasonable.

but you poked the bear a little by suggesting anyone concerned about the delta, Florida ineptitude, or just general shell shock from 19 months of chaos is trying to “create a mask issue” is a bit out of line.

sorry about the grief
Your right.

They have a good point.

I also think fully vaccinated people who are looking at the data and saying “Hey this doesn’t affect me” have a good point also.

I have the utmost respect for everyone here who disagrees with me including you. ( except one person we won’t get into that. )

Again I am not a monster and will follow all mandates fully.

We just see things differently and that’s ok 👍
 

Virtual Toad

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The only thing certain about the situation in Florida right now is the level of uncertainty. Seeing what’s going on and the (non) reaction of the majority of those around us, we’ve decided to cancel our weeklong Universal visit that was scheduled for Aug 1-8 and revert to a staycation instead. Like previous posters have mentioned it comes down to comfort level and we’re just not comfortable with indoor queues and scores of unvaccinated visitors. Stress on vacation is not much of a vacation so we’ll just have to save it for another time.😟
 

Trauma

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The only thing certain about the situation in Florida right now is the level of uncertainty. Seeing what’s going on and the (non) reaction of the majority of those around us, we’ve decided to cancel our weeklong Universal visit that was scheduled for Aug 1-8 and revert to a staycation instead. Like previous posters have mentioned it comes down to comfort level and we’re just not comfortable with indoor queues and scores of unvaccinated visitors. Stress on vacation is not much of a vacation so we’ll just have to save it for another time.😟
I would love to know if you wouldn’t mind answering.

If masks indoors returned without social distancing.

Meaning your still crammed in like sardines but everyone has a mask on.

Would you have felt comfortable enough to go?
 

Virtual Toad

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I would love to know if you wouldn’t mind answering.

If masks indoors returned without social distancing.

Meaning your still crammed in like sardines but everyone has a mask on.

Would you have felt comfortable enough to go?
Honestly, masks required indoors (with consistent enforcement and SOME attempt at social distancing) could potentially have been a game changer for us. As a fully vaccinated family knowing the unvaccinated (and everyone else) were at least masking up would have eased some of our concerns. We discussed as a family the possibility that the rules could change before Aug 1, but at this point we’d be right in the middle of a policy shift that I’m sure will result in rising tempers and confrontations. Not something I want my kids to be in the middle of, and given our overall comfort level we’ve decided to pass.

Not to ramble on too much longer, but my son was supposed to play piano this morning for the folks at his grandmother’s nursing home here in the Tampa Bay Area. They had to cancel because unvaccinated workers there have brought about another outbreak at the facility. I asked him about vacation and he said “If grandma has to deal with COVID in her nursing home it wouldn’t seem right to go to a theme park.” For what it’s worth.
 

Trauma

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Honestly, masks required indoors (with consistent enforcement and SOME attempt at social distancing) could potentially have been a game changer for us. As a fully vaccinated family knowing the unvaccinated (and everyone else) were at least masking up would have eased some of our concerns. We discussed as a family the possibility that the rules could change before Aug 1, but at this point we’d be right in the middle of a policy shift that I’m sure will result in rising tempers and confrontations. Not something I want my kids to be in the middle of, and given our overall comfort level we’ve decided to pass.

Not to ramble on too much longer, but my son was supposed to play piano this morning for the folks at his grandmother’s nursing home here in the Tampa Bay Area. They had to cancel because unvaccinated workers there have brought about another outbreak at the facility. I asked him about vacation and he said “If grandma has to deal with COVID in her nursing home it wouldn’t seem right to go to a theme park.” For what’s its worth.
Ok so in summary you probably would have canceled unless there was some form of social distancing component?
 

mmascari

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I've been wondering. Of all the people on this thread that have gone since say May 1 2021 or planning through September 2021, is everyone either a DVC or annual pass holder?

Cash buyers of an individual trip vs sunk cost (and possible lost cost if they expire) create different perspectives.

If there are any cash buyers, any with kids under 12? Another condition that creates a different perspective.

An annual pass holder that owns DVC, is all adults and all vaccinated has a very different profile than a single trip cash buyer with kids under 12.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
Not to ramble on too much longer, but my son was supposed to play piano this morning for the folks at his grandmother’s nursing home here in the Tampa Bay Area. They had to cancel because unvaccinated workers there have brought about another outbreak at the facility. I asked him about vacation and he said “If grandma has to deal with COVID in her nursing home it wouldn’t seem right to go to a theme park.” For what it’s worth.
For what it’s worth my family is fully vaccinated.

We go to the gym every day.

Out to eat 5 times a week

We train Jiu Jitsu 3 times a week ( this is 30 sweaty humans rolling on the ground with each other )

Movies

Well you get the point.

We live life as we used to.

By the way I used to take every mitigation very seriously and did everything I could to protect my family.

I just don’t see the danger.

I respect your decision to stay home but your kids are only young for so many years.

I wish you continued health and peace of mind.
 

Virtual Toad

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Ok so in summary you probably would have canceled unless there was some form of social distancing component?
We’re not sure. If masks had been in place for awhile, even without distancing, if the case count was lower and people around us (remember we live in Fla) had been showing even a superficial level of concern... maybe? Maybe not. That’s why I keep coming back to uncertainty. Knowing my family, knowing my kids and seeing how they’ve worked through this thing so far, unless everyone today chimed in with an enthusiastic “yes” vote my wife and I knew we’d have to cancel. Making ourselves uncomfortable just to go on vacation isn’t something we’re prepared to do.

At the end of the day, we made our plans when cases were trending down and things looked a whole lot rosier. Now cases are back to January levels. School starts in two weeks here and even the risk of contracting a mild case of COVID just isn’t worth the payoff for us at this point.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I've been wondering. Of all the people on this thread that have gone since say May 1 2021 or planning through September 2021, is everyone either a DVC or annual pass holder?

Cash buyers of an individual trip vs sunk cost (and possible lost cost if they expire) create different perspectives.

If there are any cash buyers, any with kids under 12? Another condition that creates a different perspective.

An annual pass holder that owns DVC, is all adults and all vaccinated has a very different profile than a single trip cash buyer with kids under 12.
Supposedly the reason why things have been awful in Orlando for the last month is backlog from canceled trips last year….

so the pressure of sinking in cash does create a level of frustration not encounter with dvc

DVC however are more spoiled and apt to “take it or leave it”. As much as they say they have to go…they don’t. We all have been too much and are kidding ourselves. We go to break up the calendar/boredom. Not because we need new mouse ears.
 

Virtual Toad

Well-Known Member
For what it’s worth my family is fully vaccinated.

We go to the gym every day.

Out to eat 5 times a week

We train Jiu Jitsu 3 times a week ( this is 30 sweaty humans rolling on the ground with each other )

Movies

Well you get the point.

We live life as we used to.

By the way I used to take every mitigation very seriously and did everything I could to protect my family.

I just don’t see the danger.

I respect your decision to stay home but your kids are only young for so many years.

I wish you continued health and peace of mind.
We know we’ve been very fortunate to have had a ton of vacations (including a slew of Disney visits) under our belts since the time the kids were little. And knowing that we can return when things die down (living as close as we do) does take some of the sting out of it.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
We’re not sure. If masks had been in place for awhile, even without distancing, if the case count was lower and people around us (remember we live in Fla) had been showing even a superficial level of concern... maybe? Maybe not. That’s why I keep coming back to uncertainty. Knowing my family, knowing my kids and seeing how they’ve worked through this thing so far, unless everyone today chimed in with an enthusiastic “yes” vote my wife and I knew we’d have to cancel. Making ourselves uncomfortable just to go on vacation isn’t something we’re prepared to do.

At the end of the day, we made our plans when cases were trending down and things looked a whole lot rosier. Now cases are back to January levels. School starts in two weeks here and even the risk of contracting a mild case of COVID just isn’t worth the payoff for us at this point.
It’s so easy for me to understand your decision and that making yourself uncomfortable on vacation is something you don’t want to do.

I’m in the same boat.

Wearing a mask will make me uncomfortable and why feel that way on vacation?

Someone brought up armbands for the vaccinated and I know it won’t happen since they would probably get sued. Still wish it was a possibility.

What a mess.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I've been wondering. Of all the people on this thread that have gone since say May 1 2021 or planning through September 2021, is everyone either a DVC or annual pass holder?

Cash buyers of an individual trip vs sunk cost (and possible lost cost if they expire) create different perspectives.

If there are any cash buyers, any with kids under 12? Another condition that creates a different perspective.

An annual pass holder that owns DVC, is all adults and all vaccinated has a very different profile than a single trip cash buyer with kids under 12.
I’m a DVC owner but the point rental market is red hot right now. I cancelled my trip last Summer and rented the points easily so I don’t think it’s really a sunk cost that factors into a decision. It would be easy today to rent the points for twice the annual maintenance fees. For my trip in August I’d probably lose my airfare credits unless I rescheduled within a year but that’s all I would lose.

I think the bigger factor is the let down on missing out. If you visit multiple times a year it’s probably not as hard a call to cancel one trip but for me I visit about every other year (haven’t actually been to WDW now since 2017 since I did DLR in 2019). My kids are getting older so we have a limited number of trips left when they are still “kids”. We are also traveling with another family so it’s a miracle we could set this whole trip up twice now with 8 people’s schedules and flights and rooms and stuff. So if I cancel again there‘s no guarantee I can reschedule the same trip next year and if I do reschedule for next year can anyone tell me with any level of certainty that there won’t be an outbreak of the Zeta variant next August? Do we know for sure it won’t be worse next year? For me I still haven’t seen any evidence that fully vaccinated people are at even moderate risk right now. My 11 year old is the only one going who isn’t vaccinated yet but he will be wearing a mask indoors the whole trip. Right now I’m not feeling too nervous about the risks to him.
 

KrzyKtty

Well-Known Member
I've been wondering. Of all the people on this thread that have gone since say May 1 2021 or planning through September 2021, is everyone either a DVC or annual pass holder?

Cash buyers of an individual trip vs sunk cost (and possible lost cost if they expire) create different perspectives.

If there are any cash buyers, any with kids under 12? Another condition that creates a different perspective.

An annual pass holder that owns DVC, is all adults and all vaccinated has a very different profile than a single trip cash buyer with kids under 12.
We are a cash buyer; however, we paid cash when the numbers were MUCH lower. We are going for a long weekend at Universal; so not DVC.

We have one DD under 12; however, DS, DH, and I are all vaccinated. We are all going to wear our mask so DD doesn't feel alone. Also, we are going to create our best "wall" that we can in lines where people aren't spacing well. Basically DH at one end and me at the other, and kids in the middle lol.

We know that there are those on this thread that don't agree with this. And we tossed and turned with it as well. But this trip was a special reward for my DS last year. Also, DD is looking forward to it soooo much. We know it is a risk, but it is one we are willing to take, and it is easy for us to quarantine when we get back (both DH and I work from home).
 
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