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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Parker in NYC

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What’s the most aggravating thing of all is that these media outlets on both sides are CLEARLY more concerned about ratings and scoring political points than providing the truth.
That is crap. Let this ban me from my own thread - it’s a hill I’m prepared to die on. But ONE side has proudly held the belief that it was nothing to worry about. I refuse to let that rest on both. That goes BEYOND the US.

I really find it infuriating.
 

GimpYancIent

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What’s the most aggravating thing of all is that these media outlets on both sides are CLEARLY more concerned about ratings and scoring political points than providing the truth.

Everything has to be spun and twisted to make another group look stupid.

Our news should be facts only and clearly labeled as such.

Everything else should have a disclaimer that it is opinion and not strictly factual, and also should not be allowed to use the word news in the program title.

We don’t have news.

We have a bunch of channels with opinions throwing poop at one another.
Yes, there is a lot! of 💩 being tossed around and the stench is suffocating.
 
Any examples of an intelligent reason to not get vaccinated?

I'm familiar with the extremely rare medical conditions that either prevent vaccination or make it not work well. But, there's not enough of those people to qualify as "plenty".

So, what are examples that would be used to get to "plenty" of intelligent people?

We've seen lots of posts here stating different risks of the vaccines. Every single one of them has reflected a misunderstanding of comparative risks along with the number of significant digits to quantify that risk vs the risk it prevents.

It's like not looking left-right-left when crossing the street, but only left-right because there's a risk you could pull a muscle when doing that second left look. That's true, you could. But, it's lower risk than being hit by a car unless you have preexisting neck issue and a very low traffic road. Plus, if the risk came true, the impact of the pulled muscle is many orders of magnitudes lower than the impact from the car you don't see.

Does it matter what examples I use, are you really going to see it any differently?

I know quite a few people not willing to get the vaccine, some close to me, some not. People in varying professions, even a couple in healthcare. Not all college educated, but successful in their own right. And get this- they aren't all members of a single political party.
Their reasons are valid for them, their body their choice. They know what they are risking at this point, they have accepted that risk. Good enough for me, not my problem if that isn't good enough for you.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I would agree with you but families like mine with kids under 12 are up the Swanee. We aren't able to get back to normal due to the high level of community transmission and the low vaccination rates in our area, add to that the fact that masks will be optional in schools in August, there will be no realistic virtual school option due to executive order of our governor and I worry we'll be pretty much stuck at home until after Christmas.
I sympathize. But you're really making a personal choice here for your kids and your family (which is what you are supposed to do IMO). You could have looked at the data and information available and went the completely opposite direction, as I did, and decided that it was okay your my under 12s to resume their normal activities. I understand why your risk assessments is the opposite of mine, but they are both personal assessments of the situation and risk involved.
 
Except the unvaccinated people are the cause of breakthroughs, the reason for discussions of rolling back on restrictions, the reason why test sites are reaching capacity, and the reason that we are still talking about this when the entire country has been eligible for months and could be virtually eliminated in the states. Anyone who hasn't taken the vaccine (if eligible) is downright exhausting at this point.

Like I said, I'm not worried about breakthroughs.
Talking about rolling back restrictions doesn't bother me, I don't buy into the fear mongering. We will see if it happens.
I have a trip to WDW planned in a few weeks, I'm not at all worried that things will be restricted, although if they decide not to open up park capacity due to Delta spreading I'm all for that.
 

disneygeek90

Premium Member
Like I said, I'm not worried about breakthroughs.
Talking about rolling back restrictions doesn't bother me, I don't buy into the fear mongering. We will see if it happens.
I have a trip to WDW planned in a few weeks, I'm not at all worried that things will be restricted, although if they decide not to open up park capacity due to Delta spreading I'm all for that.
Park capacity is basically non existent as is, if not worse than normal due to closed shows, stores and restaurants.
 

jpinkc

Well-Known Member
My friend who refuses to take the mRNA vaccines because they "modify your DNA" is an otherwise pretty smart person who is not normally a whacko conspiracy theorist. He convinced himself of this fact and I can't change his mind. He was going to get J&J and then his appointment got cancelled from the pause. After that he got uncomfortable with that one also and is currently not vaccinated.
I understand his intellectual fears, mRNA is soooo new, there might be a long term consideration and I respect that opinion, Science doesnt and cant know. I even with those fears got Pfizer, because I dont want to get sick or cause anyone else to be sick. J&J was not available in my area at the time of my vaccination. My whole family got Pfizer or Moderna for my wife.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I understand his intellectual fears, mRNA is soooo new, there might be a long term consideration and I respect that opinion, Science doesnt and cant know. I even with those fears got Pfizer, because I dont want to get sick or cause anyone else to be sick. J&J was not available in my area at the time of my vaccination. My whole family got Pfizer or Moderna for my wife.
The "long term consideration" is a VERY common theme originating with the anti-vaxx movement many, many years ago. mRNA vaccines have been in development for decades.

ETA: To clarify...the only reason we've never had an mRNA vaccine approved before is because there weren't enough people getting sick at the same time to perform trials. COVID provided enough patients for trials to occur.
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
That is crap. Let this ban me from my own thread - it’s a hill I’m prepared to die on. But ONE side has proudly held the belief that it was nothing to worry about. I refuse to let that rest on both. That goes BEYOND the US.

I really find it infuriating.
Old quote about news people; "The indispensable requirement for a good newspaperman - as eager to tell a lie as the truth. — Norman Mailer"
 

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