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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Yes, sorry the messaging has been a bit confusing and we are feeding you this all second hand. I had to re-read it multiple times, but it is indeed going to be about 55% of total population (for simplicity) or 75% of adults. I honestly think we are on pace to clear that in a couple of weeks.

We still broadly are not offering vaccines to everyone quite yet. Certain high risk regions are, and certain regions are a bit ahead of others, but not the majority of Canada quite yet. So despite us approaching the US penetration I think we likely have another 10%+ push before we hit our plateau where demands drops off. I'm hoping for an Israel-like curve for us, especially since we are still in the thick of it.
In the US we are about 25M first shots away from hitting 55% of the total population. I think we could hit that in around a month’s time. I’m not saying 55% is the red line and guarantees success like Israel had, but it’s a good target to shoot for. Hopefully we hit it before the end of June and hopefully we still end up with 70-75% of adults vaccinated too.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
2.7M doses administered yesterday. 2nd highest total in May. 1.3M new first doses (1M of them adults 18+). Saturday is the most popular day for vaccinations now, but last Saturday we only had 755K new first shots for adults 18+ so up 33% from last week. Not saying it’s definitely the impact of the CDC changes, but it’s possible that this did factor in on motivating people to get it done. When I look online at CVS for PA there are now over 80 locations with no appointments available. This was almost zero a week ago. Some of that is kids 12-15 but from the shot totals it’s not just kids signing up.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I agree. I’m actually fine with that. I don’t think it‘s the business‘s responsibility to police vaccine status. What I am not Ok with is businesses that are saying no masks for anyone. That is not following the science and not following the CDC guidance. I’d rather see a policy that says only fully vaccinated people are allowed in without a mask but unvaccinated people will still need a mask. Hershey Park’s new rules:
  • Face coverings and social distancing for guests who are fully vaccinated will no longer be required effective immediately. Of course, all vaccinated guests are free to continue to wear face coverings if they choose to do so.
  • All guests two years of age and older who are not fully vaccinated must wear face coverings during their visit except while eating or drinking.
  • We will rely on our guests to accurately follow the guidelines based on their vaccination status.
Some people may say what’s the difference because an unvaccinated person can show up and not wear a mask and they won’t be challenged, but it’s the principle. They still need to lie to do it. Make them lie, don‘t give in and let them off the hook. Yes, you get to walk around maskless, but you are still a lier and someone who didn’t follow the rules. IMHO a place like Hershey Park should ask each person as they walk through the gates without a mask if they are fully vaccinated. That simple step would actually probably weed out some people who wouldn’t want to lie to someone’s face and might actually encourage more vaccine uptake.
The CDC should have raised the age with its first revision.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The CDC should have raised the age with its first revision.
Schools for the most part are finally open most places and doing very well with masks and distancing. I think it would be a huge mistake to mess with that. If you are suggesting raising it from 2 to 4 that‘s probably not an issue but school aged kids need to continue wearing masks until their age is approved.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Schools for the most part are finally open most places and doing very well with masks and distancing. I think it would be a huge mistake to mess with that. If you are suggesting raising it from 2 to 4 that‘s probably not an issue but school aged kids need to continue wearing masks until their age is approved.
I would have suggested 5 unless in a school setting. Other children's health organizations like WHO and UNICEF chose 5 and 9.
 

CatesMom

Well-Known Member
In the US we are about 25M first shots away from hitting 55% of the total population. I think we could hit that in around a month’s time. I’m not saying 55% is the red line and guarantees success like Israel had, but it’s a good target to shoot for. Hopefully we hit it before the end of June and hopefully we still end up with 70-75% of adults vaccinated too.
My daughter (13) got her first Pfizer shot this afternoon at a hopping county-run vaccine clinic for teens. They were pumping shots into 12-17 year old arms faster than teenagers devour Chick Fil A nuggets. Interestingly, they also offered shots to all the parents and guardians as we signed in our kids. These are the kind of coordinated pushes that could help raise the overall success rates.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
My daughter (13) got her first Pfizer shot this afternoon at a hopping county-run vaccine clinic for teens. They were pumping shots into 12-17 year old arms faster than teenagers devour Chick Fil A nuggets. Interestingly, they also offered shots to all the parents and guardians as we signed in our kids. These are the kind of coordinated pushes that could help raise the overall success rates.
My oldest absolutely can't wait to brag to his classmates that he got his shot Friday morning after he had the nurse call me to pick him up, lol. (she said getting the shot was fine...he only had a stomach ache)
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
C-Span very recently aired some great videos on the history of vaccines. One was called, "Smallpox and the First Vaccine," but they had more than one video, and the title of that one, I'm not sure how to say here, but the content is broader than the title suggests.

A VERY BRIEF and summarized history:

The history of vaccines, and concerns about vaccines, date back to the origin of vaccines. Variolation was the precursor to the first vaccine. Variolation was - as far as I know- specifically a way to combat smallpox. There were a few parts to the idea:
1. Smallpox was very common.
2. Overall, about 1/3 of people did not survive smallpox, but there was variation between smallpox outbreaks. Some outbreaks had a higher survival rate, and some had a lower survival rate.
3. If a person survived smallpox, they generally couldn't get it a second time.

The basic idea of variolation was to inoculate people from smallpox by intentionally exposing them to a mild case of smallpox. The idea worked, but it came with some very real risk.
1. Variolation could trigger an unnecessary outbreak of smallpox.
2. Some variolation patients died.
3. I'm not quite sure how to explain #3- but in that time period, every cut was risky, because there was no good way to curb infections. One variolation/early vaccine concern stemmed from a concern that variolation not only gave the person smallpox, but it also corrupted a person's bloodstream. People thought it was a bad idea to put bad things into our bodies, just as some people now only want to eat healthy foods.

During the American Revolution (Boston 1775), Washington's army was nearly wiped out by a smallpox outbreak. British troops fared better because they had been inoculated. Washington quickly realized smallpox could be used as a weapon. In 1777, Washington mandated variolation of his troops.

The current debate is very old and very connected to the history of this country. I found the film very interesting.
I caught the last half of that show, and it was excellent.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I would have suggested 5 unless in a school setting. Other children's health organizations like WHO and UNICEF chose 5 and 9.
The science does support that kids under 5 are less likely to be able to get and spread covid:

I wouldn‘t be opposed to that change for very young kids.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
It’s time for the people moaning and crying about not getting the vaccine because they still had to follow the rules afterward to strap on their big boy pants and get the shot. IMHO I think a lot of the people saying that was the reason were already vaccinated (including you) and just didn’t want to have to wear a mask anymore. I think most of the people who were still going to get vaccinated but hadn’t yet we’re just indifferent and were not in a hurry. Hopefully some are motivated now to go in sooner but they would have to actually care about being in compliance with the technical rules since they don‘t actually need to be vaccinated to go to Walmart or outside at WDW without a mask.

Basically not much changes in what you can actually do after you get vaccinated today other than being in compliance with CDC recommendations and I’m not sure how many people who weren’t already vaccinated care about that.
It's anecdotal but out of nine unvaccinated friends that I was pushing to get vaccinated a few weeks ago. Two of them responded with a variation of "why bother when nothing changes." One responded that it isn't worth it because the vaccine doesn't work and came to that conclusion because of the guidelines for vaccinated people to keep masking and distancing. A forth was the one I relayed a few weeks ago who doesn't want the mRNA vaccines because they will alter his DNA and had an appointment for J&J until the pause.

Obviously this isn't a scientific study but these are examples of people who were "resistant" at least in part due to the bad "marketing" of the benefits to the low risk of getting vaccinated. I haven't spoken to any since the change but hopefully it will push at least some of them over to the other side.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
My daughter (13) got her first Pfizer shot this afternoon at a hopping county-run vaccine clinic for teens. They were pumping shots into 12-17 year old arms faster than teenagers devour Chick Fil A nuggets. Interestingly, they also offered shots to all the parents and guardians as we signed in our kids. These are the kind of coordinated pushes that could help raise the overall success rates.
My oldest absolutely can't wait to brag to his classmates that he got his shot Friday morning after he had the nurse call me to pick him up, lol. (she said getting the shot was fine...he only had a stomach ache)
Took my 14 year old in yesterday to Rite Aid. He was supposed to go to the county site on Friday after school (he had a half day) but they had extra Hershey Park tickets for my 5th grader’s trip so he ended up cutting school and going there instead. There were 3 kids in front of us in line. His school is doing an in school vaccine clinic now on Thursday for any kid 12 and up. So far it seems like all of his friends are going to get it either then or before like he did.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It's anecdotal but out of nine unvaccinated friends that I was pushing to get vaccinated a few weeks ago. Two of them responded with a variation of "why bother when nothing changes." One responded that it isn't worth it because the vaccine doesn't work and came to that conclusion because of the guidelines for vaccinated people to keep masking and distancing. A forth was the one I relayed a few weeks ago who doesn't want the mRNA vaccines because they will alter his DNA and had an appointment for J&J until the pause.

Obviously this isn't a scientific study but these are examples of people who were "resistant" at least in part due to the bad "marketing" of the benefits to the low risk of getting vaccinated. I haven't spoken to any since the change but hopefully it will push at least some of them over to the other side.
Since there are all these benefits now did they make their appointments already? Pull up those big boy pants and get it done ;). No excuses now.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
Took my 14 year old in yesterday to Rite Aid. He was supposed to go to the county site on Friday after school (he had a half day) but they had extra Hershey Park tickets for my 5th grader’s trip so he ended up cutting school and going there instead. There were 3 kids in front of us in line. His school is doing an in school vaccine clinic now on Thursday for any kid 12 and up. So far it seems like all of his friends are going to get it either then or before like he did.
I know there's got to be some vaccine-hesitant parents that will hear about how mine got his shot and how it was no big deal...hoping my son's eagerness and excitement rubs off on classmates and maybe gives some who are vaccine-hesitant a little shove because their kids are bugging them.
 

DisneyFan32

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
When NJ and NY will end mask mandate for good soon because I don't want to wear mask anymore.

Like this is going to be long time for NJ and NY will lift mask mandate little while...maybe next month?
 
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