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ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
This is just an anecdote, but maybe informative to share. I'm just one individual, but it might provide some perspective in what a fully vaccinated person might expect if they are exposed to COVID.

For background, I'm a family physician and completed my vaccine series in January. When the pandemic hit, the hospital I work for instituted a special "respiratory care clinic" where we can address patients with respiratory ailments in a separate location, under full PPE, in a negative pressure exam room, and isolated from patients. I work in this clinic about twice a month.

I won't go into the level of irresponsibility showed by this particular patient, but briefly, this week I saw a young woman for a very minor skin issue who we knew had tested positive for COVID. Even with her wearing a mask, and myself and the nurse in full PPE, I could literally see the clouds of respiratory secretions as she coughed heavily throughout the exam (I denied her request to remove the mask, because it made her "uncomfortable").

About a day later, I started to experience some of those vague feelings you get before an illness. Nothing severe, I just felt off. Then, I became mildly congested. Fearing for what may have been on the way, I isolated myself at home away from my wife (waiting for her second dose), 2 year old son (obviously not vaccinated yet), and two dogs, one of whom was very upset with this situation.

Luckily, the symptoms never progressed beyond extremely mild, and they're now gone. Despite being fully vaccinated and wearing full PPE, I have no doubt that what I experienced was my immune system fighting off COVID. Unknowable at this time is if I was actively shedding viral particles until my immune system finished the job.

So, my take home was that the vaccine worked. But rather than making me completely invulnerable to COVID, a better description would be that the vaccine stacked the deck in my favor, and made it an unfair fight for the virus. But it didn't prevent the fight from occurring altogether.
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing.

You have truly been a blessing during this entire thing with the information you've shared.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
This is just an anecdote, but maybe informative to share. I'm just one individual, but it might provide some perspective in what a fully vaccinated person might expect if they are exposed to COVID.

For background, I'm a family physician and completed my vaccine series in January. When the pandemic hit, the hospital I work for instituted a special "respiratory care clinic" where we can address patients with respiratory ailments in a separate location, under full PPE, in a negative pressure exam room, and isolated from patients. I work in this clinic about twice a month.

I won't go into the level of irresponsibility showed by this particular patient, but briefly, this week I saw a young woman for a very minor skin issue who we knew had tested positive for COVID. Even with her wearing a mask, and myself and the nurse in full PPE, I could literally see the clouds of respiratory secretions as she coughed heavily throughout the exam (I denied her request to remove the mask, because it made her "uncomfortable").

About a day later, I started to experience some of those vague feelings you get before an illness. Nothing severe, I just felt off. Then, I became mildly congested. Fearing for what may have been on the way, I isolated myself at home away from my wife (waiting for her second dose), 2 year old son (obviously not vaccinated yet), and two dogs, one of whom was very upset with this situation.

Luckily, the symptoms never progressed beyond extremely mild, and they're now gone. Despite being fully vaccinated and wearing full PPE, I have no doubt that what I experienced was my immune system fighting off COVID. Unknowable at this time is if I was actively shedding viral particles until my immune system finished the job.

So, my take home was that the vaccine worked. But rather than making me completely invulnerable to COVID, a better description would be that the vaccine stacked the deck in my favor, and made it an unfair fight for the virus. But it didn't prevent the fight from occurring altogether.
Thanks for sharing. The real win, I think, is not just that you felt some symptoms but fought them off, but that it is extremely unlikely that *you* passed the virus on to anyone else.
 

ColeTrain04

Active Member
Prior to this post I honestly thought you were a pain in the neck-apologies- I now think I have a bit more understanding and a lot more compassion. I think we’re probably rather similar!
As an older person I am aware that I haven’t got that much time left to enjoy life and am as keen as you to return to normality. You are living with a horrible disease and don’t know the short or long term consequences of it. Hopefully very few! So yes, you want to be able to enjoy life to the fullest in the shortest possible time which I now understand.
I also want things to go back to normal as soon as possible but I want to wait until it is “safer.” My husband (72) is currently immunosuppressant because of drugs he is taking and I want him to be around to enjoy the normality with me! If it was me in his situation I would probably feel like you- just get on with it- but because it is the true love of my life, yes soppy but true, I don’t want to face even a small extra risk. His doctor told him to avoid the unvaccinated at all costs so that has terrified me, him less so.
I hope this ramble, it’s 4am in the U.K., helps to explain we can both want identical outcomes but prefer to achieve them by different routes.
Take care and stay safe.
I get that you don’t want to take risks and to be honest nobody is making you. You are making the choices you feel are best for your family. I obviously want everyone to get vaccinated so this thing will get under control. But I can’t play the “oh poor me” card. I don’t live my life that way and I don’t want anyone else to think they’re doing me a favor because you aren’t. Your outlook on life is something you control. You can choose to have a good day or a bad day. You can also choose to live in the moment because tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. Truth is nobody gave a damn about my health prior to last year and I don’t expect people to care now. I just really feel that if it isn’t incentivized better than it is now then people will stop getting it and we will never get it completely under control. I also feel that there will be tons of people who will let up on public health guidelines because they’re fatigued. Which is why they should be relaxed when we really don’t need them. I feel people would be more accepting of them in the future if they’re needed. We all want the same thing.
 

pixie225

Well-Known Member
So, my take home was that the vaccine worked. But rather than making me completely invulnerable to COVID, a better description would be that the vaccine stacked the deck in my favor, and made it an unfair fight for the virus. But it didn't prevent the fight from occurring altogether.
I am hoping that if we did pick up "something" from our just-completed Disney visit we can fight it off with our Pfizer vaccines. With the amount of people not social-distancing, and with masks not worn correctly (or fixing them when requested by cm's, and then pulling them back down as soon as they walked away, which we saw numerous times) I fear at least one of us will come down with "something" no matter how careful we were.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
I am hoping that if we did pick up "something" from our just-completed Disney visit we can fight it off with our Pfizer vaccines. With the amount of people not social-distancing, and with masks not worn correctly (or fixing them when requested by cm's, and then pulling them back down as soon as they walked away, which we saw numerous times) I fear at least one of us will come down with "something" no matter how careful we were.
The bolded is just so disrespectful of others, I can't even.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
Another influential voice is spreading dangerous anti-vax disinformation, this time insinuating that the vaccines are killing more than 30 Americans a day. Here’s a detailed and helpful rebuttal (source carefully chosen to avoid framing this is as left vs. right issue):

The people who will buy into this are likely the same people who were telling everyone that people were dying with COVID and not from COVID. But when it comes to the vaccine...
 

GaBoy

Well-Known Member
Where are you finding that info?
I saw Florida at 10.5 US average around 10. No one over 14. But maybe this isn't a good source. Edit... had a k behind the cases. Its early. Need more coffee.
 

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Nubs70

Well-Known Member
The CDC basically has said that vaccinated people don't need to wear masks. From the CDC web site:

If you’ve been fully vaccinated:

  • You can gather indoors with fully vaccinated people without wearing a mask or staying 6 feet apart.
The problem is, there aren't a lot of situations where you can guaranteed you are only around other vaccinated people.
That's what the 6ft clause covers
 

CatesMom

Well-Known Member
So, my take home was that the vaccine worked. But rather than making me completely invulnerable to COVID, a better description would be that the vaccine stacked the deck in my favor, and made it an unfair fight for the virus. But it didn't prevent the fight from occurring altogether.
Thank you for this insight. It explains precisely why I, as a fully vaccinated person, choose to surround myself with other fully vaccinated people. And why I am counting the days until my 13 year old can get her first shot. The more we can all stack the deck(s) in our favor, the better chance we all have to move forward gracefully.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
I’m genuinely shocked National Review published this.
I haven't read the National Review in years, but my perception is that it represented the branch of conservatism that would never embrace Trump-style populism. And Trump's crowd would probably sneer "elitism" at its social, political and economic outlook. If William F. Buckley was still alive, I'm sure his attitude towards Trumpism could be described as "saucily contemptuous".
 
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helenabear

Well-Known Member
This is just an anecdote, but maybe informative to share. I'm just one individual, but it might provide some perspective in what a fully vaccinated person might expect if they are exposed to COVID.

For background, I'm a family physician and completed my vaccine series in January. When the pandemic hit, the hospital I work for instituted a special "respiratory care clinic" where we can address patients with respiratory ailments in a separate location, under full PPE, in a negative pressure exam room, and isolated from other patients. I work in this clinic about twice a month.

I won't go into the level of irresponsibility showed by this particular patient, but briefly, this week I saw a young woman for a very minor skin issue who we knew had tested positive for COVID. Even with her wearing a mask, and myself and the nurse in full PPE, I could literally see the clouds of respiratory secretions as she coughed heavily throughout the exam (I denied her request to remove the mask, because it made her "uncomfortable").

About a day later, I started to experience some of those vague feelings you get before an illness. Nothing severe, I just felt off. Then, I became mildly congested. Fearing for what may have been on the way, I isolated myself at home away from my wife (waiting for her second dose), 2 year old son (obviously not vaccinated yet), and two dogs, one of whom was very upset with this situation.

Luckily, the symptoms never progressed beyond extremely mild, and they're now gone. Despite being fully vaccinated and wearing full PPE, I have no doubt that what I experienced was my immune system fighting off COVID. Unknowable at this time is if I was actively shedding viral particles until my immune system finished the job.

So, my take home was that the vaccine worked. But rather than making me completely invulnerable to COVID, a better description would be that the vaccine stacked the deck in my favor, and made it an unfair fight for the virus. But it didn't prevent the fight from occurring altogether.
Don't you think you should have tested yourself to be sure? Nothing personal but there are a lot of colds still circulating that may or may not have been that. To test would given data we need to understand this all. Especially if you were in full PPE and such knowing would help science figure this out.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Do Georgia, Texas, Florida et al have higher vaccination rates than other places? If not, then the argument that government restrictions are hampering vaccination doesn’t really follow.
Georgia's 1st dose vaccination rate by age:

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As you can see, it's extremely high for those 65-and-over, but dreadful for those 34-and-younger.

My twentysomething year old children (who have all received their second doses) tell me that many of their (liberal college educated) friends view COVID as an "old person's disease." :(
 

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