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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion (Now with optimism!)

Tom P.

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I'm assuming that folks hiding me must have to take an extra step every time they want to access this thread!
If you ignore somebody, it literally just removes their messages from the thread as you are viewing it. There's no indication that those messages ever existed, but also nothing special you have to do to access a thread they participate in. It can be rather confusing, though, when people are replying to things that you don't see because of your ignore list. In fact, that's the main reason why I generally don't use the ignore list feature but rather just keep a mental "ignore list" in my head. :)
 

Parker in NYC

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If you ignore somebody, it literally just removes their messages from the thread as you are viewing it. There's no indication that those messages ever existed, but also nothing special you have to do to access a thread they participate in. It can be rather confusing, though, when people are replying to things that you don't see because of your ignore list. In fact, that's the main reason why I generally don't use the ignore list feature but rather just keep a mental "ignore list" in my head. :)
I thought it hid the entire thread from the main page? At least, that's been my experience with other folks. I've had to "show ignored" or whatever on that page to see the thread. Maybe the mods worked magic on this one since it's become more popular than a lead cheerleader.
 

Tom P.

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I thought it hid the entire thread from the main page? At least, that's been my experience with other folks. I've had to "show ignored" or whatever on that page to see the thread. Maybe the mods worked magic on this one since it's become more popular than a lead cheerleader.
I wonder if it makes a difference as to who created the thread. Perhaps threads created by someone on your ignore list don't show at all, while others do with just the messages removed? I don't know. Perhaps @wdwmagic will jump in to clarify.
 

Parker in NYC

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I wonder if it makes a difference as to who created the thread. Perhaps threads created by someone on your ignore list don't show at all, while others do with just the messages removed? I don't know. Perhaps @wdwmagic will jump in to clarify.
That's my question. Anyone who hid me wouldn't be able to see the thread title itself showing up in the main News page/forum, but my posts would be hidden once they've accessed it.
 

CatesMom

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To wit: everyone who refuses to get vaccinated doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone who refuses to properly wear a mask doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone in and using the media to discourage people from getting vaccinated and wearing masks, and confusing them into thinking it’s some kind of “rights” issue don’t want it to go away.
Everyone claiming that "breakthrough" COVID isn't "really a risk" so vaccinated folks shouldn't care whether others get the shot doesn't want it to go away.
 

helenabear

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If you ignore somebody, it literally just removes their messages from the thread as you are viewing it. There's no indication that those messages ever existed, but also nothing special you have to do to access a thread they participate in. It can be rather confusing, though, when people are replying to things that you don't see because of your ignore list. In fact, that's the main reason why I generally don't use the ignore list feature but rather just keep a mental "ignore list" in my head. :)
I think they are assuming if you put the OP on ignore the thread disappears on the rumors page itself. However if you are active one can still get notifications and easily view the thread even if the OP is on ignore. So no, we don't have to unignore to see the thread. The OP has mentioned this more than once. Even to me when I was shocked that they would use a kind post about trying to keep calm when a self proclaimed hypochondriac wanted some advice to calm down, against me to show how superior they were in guessing doom and gloom when even many scientists and medical people were not. Lucky guess on their part.
 

Parker in NYC

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Original Poster
I think they are assuming if you put the OP on ignore the thread disappears on the rumors page itself. However if you are active one can still get notifications and easily view the thread even if the OP is on ignore. So no, we don't have to unignore to see the thread. The OP has mentioned this more than once. Even to me when I was shocked that they would use a kind post about trying to keep calm when a self proclaimed hypochondriac wanted some advice to calm down, against me to show how superior they were in guessing doom and gloom when even many scientists and medical people were not. Lucky guess on their part.
Yes, feeling superior about the severity of a pandemic is another of the accomplishments my parents always hoped for.
 

CatesMom

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Remember that the 42.1% is of the whole population but roughly 25% of the population is not eligible to be vaccinated because they are under 16 so that works out to over 56% of eligible people having gone.
39.2% of 16+ in my area have gotten their first shot, 27% are fully vaccinated. (Yes, those are adult-only numbers). Full eligibility just opened here in Virginia this week, so hopefully many more to come.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I think they are assuming if you put the OP on ignore the thread disappears on the rumors page itself. However if you are active one can still get notifications and easily view the thread even if the OP is on ignore. So no, we don't have to unignore to see the thread. The OP has mentioned this more than once. Even to me when I was shocked that they would use a kind post about trying to keep calm when a self proclaimed hypochondriac wanted some advice to calm down, against me to show how superior they were in guessing doom and gloom when even many scientists and medical people were not. Lucky guess on their part.
If you ignore someone who created a thread, any thread they created disappears from view unless you scroll to the bottom of the page and click "show ignored". I believe you no longer receive notifications for that thread as well.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It would be tough but I have no issue with it. It feels the people with kids are the ones against it.
I have an 11 year old. I would not take him to WDW if they required him to take multiple Covid tests. I’d just go to the beach or a National park or something. There’s plenty of other stuff to do for vacations besides WDW. Once my kids are eligible I’d have no problem with requiring proof of vaccination, but I’m not doing the test thing.

I also would probably not want to go to WDW anyway in that case since the only reason you would need a vaccine passport is if community spread is still high. So if community spread remains high (like it still is today) count me out on theme parks either way. I have no desire to be mixed in with all those strangers, especially if they loosen safety protocols but people are exploiting the 72 hour loophole. An unvaccinated person tests negative and then spends 2 days doing god knows what that could lead to infection and then presents a negative test at the gate and walks around with no masks and distancing anymore. Seems like a bad idea to get involved in that if community spread is still high. If community spread is low enough then there’s no need for a passport.
 

Jrb1979

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I have an 11 year old. I would not take him to WDW if they required him to take multiple Covid tests. I’d just go to the beach or a National park or something. There’s plenty of other stuff to do for vacations besides WDW. Once my kids are eligible I’d have no problem with requiring proof of vaccination, but I’m not doing the test thing.

I also would probably not want to go to WDW anyway in that case since the only reason you would need a vaccine passport is if community spread is still high. So if community spread remains high (like it still is today) count me out on theme parks either way. I have no desire to be mixed in with all those strangers, especially if they loosen safety protocols but people are exploiting the 72 hour loophole. An unvaccinated person tests negative and then spends 2 days doing god knows what that could lead to infection and then presents a negative test at the gate and walks around with no masks and distancing anymore. Seems like a bad idea to get involved in that if community spread is still high. If community spread is low enough then there’s no need for a passport.
I do get where you're coming from. I disagree on community spread being low for not needing it. Do you think once community spread is low that SeaWorld will drop their proof of vaccine? Or the Bills in Buffalo doing the same?
 

JD80

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I think everyone who is able to do so should be vaccinated as soon as they are able to do so. I personally doubt, based on my research, the efficacy of masks in preventing Covid spread, but I also think people should follow the rules and wear them where required without causing problems. And I think, as I've said many times, that the most effective messaging from the media and public health officials would be "once you are fully vaccinated, you can stop wearing the mask and social distancing." I think vaccine hesitancy would drop by about 80% overnight if everyone got coordinated on that message.

You have a published study or something I can refer to based on your research?
 

ImperfectPixie

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Masking + distancing + vaccinations are IMPORTANT.

I have a friend who CANNOT be vaccinated because she has a severe immune disorder that almost killed her when she was a teenager. She hasn't gone anywhere but her own home since LAST MARCH. Her husband owns a garage. The wife of one of his employees is flagrantly anti-mask, anti-distancing, and anti-vaccine. The wife contracted COVID. Gave it to her husband...who gave it to his boss, the owner. The owner unknowingly brought it home and now my friend has it. Despite all her efforts to do the smart thing and staying home (she literally hasn't even gone to the grocery store and has used strictly delivery services), she STILL contracted COVID because of a self-centered, ignorant, word-I-can't-say who refused to do anything but what her selfish self wanted to do.

PLEASE. So we can all be done with this...MASK, DISTANCE, and get VACCINATED unless you medically are unable.

ETA: The emotional toll staying home has taken on her has been horrible...now she has to deal with having COVID, too.
 
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Flugell

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Here's the thing. I don't believe everyone wants this thing to go away. I really don't.

First off, I think a lot of the fear about where we are is being driven by the media. The media has a vested interest in keeping this thing going as long as possible. They really do. 2020 was a banner year for the news media. The ratings that they scored from Covid news were through the roof. (Yes, there was a healthy amount of presidential politics mixed in to, but Covid was clearly the defining story of the year.) They don't want to lose that. And they already see it slipping away. They are trying to prolong this as much as they possibly can. And that is influencing how lots of people view where we are.

I think there are also political motivations behind some of the doom-and-gloom, but I won't go farther than to say that I think they exist because of the no politics rule.

Suffice it to say, no, I don't believe everyone wants it to go away. Not by a long shot.
I believe that you are fundamentally incorrect in your statement that not everyone wants “this thing” to go away. I do believe that the conflict between opinions is that people disagree as to when we should declare that it has gone!
Many, including myself, want everything to return to normal as quickly as possible but also as safely as possible. We are fed up with people who want things to be lifted immediately while cases, spread and deaths remain at their current level, especially in the USA.
The crux of the problem is agreeing when that will be! 0 cases/deaths per day, brilliant but probably impossible in such a large and varied country. 10 still excellent but again unlikely achievable. 100 daily cases/ deaths- more achievable but probably still too low for the majority to agree to.
The latest figure (according to Google) is that 752 people died on 20th April in the USA. That still amounts to 274,480 deaths per year. In my opinion that is too many to be acceptable. 250 deaths per day works out at 91,250 per year. Still a lot but maybe acceptable to most. (Can’t believe I’ve just written that😢)
So yes there is a way to go and hopefully people will persevere to bring the death rate down even further. If it takes one extra month to go from 500 deaths to 250, saving an additional 91,250 lives then surely that is worth it?
If it takes a month beyond that to halve it again then that would also be acceptable to me but I guess not everyone.
People who are giving the impression that they don’t want it to ever end are assuming, I think, that they need to give that impression to stop restrictions being lifted too soon (in their opinion.)
Surely no one wants to take the risk of lifting restrictions too soon and risking another rise in cases- but who knows what level that is? That is why many people would prefer to err on the side of caution and inadvertently give the impression that they want the mitigations to remain around for ever. Let’s hope that whenever that happens we can look back and agree it was the right time.
 

Parker in NYC

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Original Poster
I believe that you are fundamentally incorrect in your statement that not everyone wants “this thing” to go away. I do believe that the conflict between opinions is that people disagree as to when we should declare that it has gone!
Many, including myself, want everything to return to normal as quickly as possible but also as safely as possible. We are fed up with people who want things to be lifted immediately while cases, spread and deaths remain at their current level, especially in the USA.
The crux of the problem is agreeing when that will be! 0 cases/deaths per day, brilliant but probably impossible in such a large and varied country. 10 still excellent but again unlikely achievable. 100 daily cases/ deaths- more achievable but probably still too low for the majority to agree to.
The latest figure (according to Google) is that 752 people died on 20th April in the USA. That still amounts to 274,480 deaths per year. In my opinion that is too many to be acceptable. 250 deaths per day works out at 91,250 per year. Still a lot but maybe acceptable to most. (Can’t believe I’ve just written that😢)
So yes there is a way to go and hopefully people will persevere to bring the death rate down even further. If it takes one extra month to go from 500 deaths to 250, saving an additional 91,250 lives then surely that is worth it?
If it takes a month beyond that to halve it again then that would also be acceptable to me but I guess not everyone.
People who are giving the impression that they don’t want it to ever end are assuming, I think, that they need to give that impression to stop restrictions being lifted too soon (in their opinion.)
Surely no one wants to take the risk of lifting restrictions too soon and risking another rise in cases- but who knows what level that is? That is why many people would prefer to err on the side of caution and inadvertently give the impression that they want the mitigations to remain around for ever. Let’s hope that whenever that happens we can look back and agree it was the right time.
Watch out, the Flu and heart disease monsters that were born 3000 pages ago will rear their heads again. I would quote the posts but you'll just have to take my word for it.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Masking + distancing + vaccinations are IMPORTANT.

I have a friend who CANNOT be vaccinated because she has a severe immune disorder that almost killed her when she was a teenager. She hasn't gone anywhere but her own home since LAST MARCH. Her husband owns a garage. The wife of one of his employees is flagrantly anti-mask, anti-distancing, and anti-vaccine. The wife contracted COVID. Gave it to her husband...who gave it to his boss, the owner. The owner unknowingly brought it home and now my friend has it. Despite all her efforts to do the smart thing and staying home (she literally hasn't even gone to the grocery store and has used strictly delivery services), she STILL contracted COVID because of a self-centered, ignorant, word-I-can't-say who refused to do anything but what her selfish self wanted to do.

PLEASE. So we can all be done with this...MASK, DISTANCE, and get VACCINATED unless you medically are unable.

ETA: The emotional toll staying home has taken on her has been horrible...now she has to deal with having COVID, too.
Do you mean cannot be vaccinated as in the vaccine won't work on her or cannot because the vaccine will cause her to have a severe reaction?
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
You have a published study or something I can refer to based on your research?
Honestly, I don't want to get into another mask debate in this thread, because those inevitably go nowhere. I was stating an opinion based on my own reading of various studies and statistics, but that wasn't the point of my statement. The point was that I think, regardless of where you fall on the "are masks effective" question, that people should respect the rules and wear them where required without making an issue of it. And that we should be touting vaccines as the way to get rid of them to get buy-in from people who hate them.
 

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