News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[mickEblu]

Yes he thought the green area would be used for Coco but mostly for queue not the main show building.

So he has adjusted his original thought and it’s now more aligned with what we think here. And his size analysis is pretty good, saying that the land currently allocated as is is 1.4 acres which can fit a Pirates sized building if they wanted. So there is still hope with even just the green area that they can build a pretty substantial attraction for Coco.

So it looks like no meaningful outdoor queue, entrance pretty much right on the other side of the parade gate and show building right along DL Drive. If true, looks like I nailed pretty much every construction prediction.

 

[Disney Irish]

So it looks like no meaningful outdoor queue, entrance pretty much right on the other side of the parade gate and show building right along DL Drive. If true, looks like I nailed pretty much every construction prediction.

Maybe but still a long way to go.

Also as I recall you’ve gone back and forth on a bunch of different configurations as ideas have been thrown around and the site has changed. Including how it would be smaller if it didn’t get a whole lot of room and shoved against DL Dr, which still remains to be seen. So don’t start claiming the crown yet. Again still a long way to go until the completed project.

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe but still a long way to go.

Also as I recall you’ve gone back and forth on a bunch of different configurations as ideas have been thrown around and the site has changed. Including how it would be smaller if it didn’t get a whole lot of room and shoved against DL Dr, which still remains to be seen. So don’t start claiming the crown yet. Again still a long way to go until the completed project.

How it would be smaller if it didn’t get a whole lot of room? Can you elaborate?

 

[Disney Irish]

How it would be smaller if it didn’t get a whole lot of room? Can you elaborate?

Dunno you tell me, it seemed like your thinking was that if it didn't have a lot of square footage that it was going to be more like a Tangled 5 minute ride compared to something of the scale of Pirates at closer to 15 minutes.

 

[mickEblu]

Dunno you tell me, it seemed like your thinking was that if it didn't have a lot of square footage that it was going to be more like a Tangled 5 minute ride compared to something of the scale of Pirates at closer to 15 minutes.

Oh I still think it’ll be something like Frozen Ever After in scope/ scale. That’s what I’ve said all along. I still think it’ll be 6 minutes or so and that the Pirates/ HM was more about theme, tech and effects. I’d be pleasantly surprised / shocked if is anything like Pirates. Tangled is a worst case scenario IMO. That seems less likely now knowing how much room there actually is even without the maintenance building. I don’t think I ever did the google earth math myself but I recall somebody here saying they did and insinuating that there wouldn’t be enough room to do anything great without the maintenance building or making a comp to something much smaller than POTC. But I could be wrong.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh I still think it’ll be something like Frozen Ever After in scope/ scale. That’s what I’ve said all along. I still think it’ll be 6 minutes or so and that the Pirates/ HM was more about theme, tech and effects. I’d be pleasantly surprised / shocked if it was anything like Pirates. Tangled is a worst case scenario IMO. That seems less likely now knowing how much room there actually is even without the maintenance building. I don’t think I ever did the google earth math myself but I recall somebody here saying they did and insinuating that there wouldn’t be enough room to do anything great without the maintenance building or making a comp to something much smaller than POTC. But I could be wrong.

Well if you take the measurements that Freshbaked used as correct, its about 1.4 acres of usable space as the dirt area sits right now. I haven't measured it recently, but that sounds about right. And if that is the case you can get a building the size of Pirates with queue and everything in that space. You can also get something the size of Ariel's too just for comparison of ride types. So it has plenty of space to still build something significant if they wanted. So something on the scale of 10-15 minutes ride time is still very much doable if they wanted.

 

[mickEblu]

Well if you take the measurements that Freshbaked used as correct, its about 1.4 acres of usable space as the dirt area sits right now. I haven't measured it recently, but that sounds about right. And if that is the case you can get a building the size of Pirates with queue and everything in that space. You can also get something the size of Ariel's too just for comparison of ride types. So it has plenty of space to still build something significant if they wanted. So something on the scale of 10-15 minutes ride time is still very much doable if they wanted.

“If they wanted” being they key words. 10-15 is not happening. I might be willing to hear a case for 7-8 minutes.

His Ariel comparison is off though. I got something around .64 acres when I went on Google Earth earlier.

 

[Disney Irish]

“If they wanted” being they key words. 10-15 is not happening. I might be willing to hear a case for 7-8 minutes.

His Ariel comparison is off though. I got something around .64 acres when I went on Google Earth earlier.

Ariel is about 38k-41k sqft depending on where you measure and when you include the exterior queue, which is just under 1 acre (or 43.5k sqft). So his measurements are fairly close.

We'll just have to wait and see, I'm more optimistic, but anywhere between 7-15 minutes is good with me. That is a long substantial boat ride in my opinion, especially if the interior is on the scale of Pirates/HM in terms of theming.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I don't know if you watched it yet or not, but he sort of explains it.

Just like here originally he thought was they would be removing all the buildings in order to make room for Coco, which would go where the parade building is now. But again just like here as time has gone on and the site has started to take shape he evolved his thoughts as its become clear that most of the buildings are staying, if not all of them. I personally still have hope for the maintenance building being removed, but that is also looking less and less each week that passes.

Anyways, I'm still waiting until foundation is poured before I form a true opinion of things, as its clear week by week the site still continues to evolve and change.

Yeah he seems to just be catching up with the rest of us.

He’s also very confused why all those trees near the crosswalk came down.

My guess is they are moving the curb and crosswalk over, given the way the road is now being shaped by the construction site.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah he seems to just be catching up with the rest of us.

He’s also very confused why all those trees near the crosswalk came down.

My guess is they are moving the curb and crosswalk over, given the way the road is now being shaped by the construction site.

Yes I suspected they would be reconfiguring the parking area, the crosswalk, and even the roadway a bit more.

No matter how you look at it, its still a pretty large footprint even if they don't demo any more buildings.

 

[mickEblu]

Ariel is about 38k-41k sqft depending on where you measure and when you include the exterior queue, which is just under 1 acre (or 43.5k sqft). So his measurements are fairly close.

We'll just have to wait and see, I'm more optimistic, but anywhere between 7-15 minutes is good with me. That is a long substantial boat ride in my opinion, especially if the interior is on the scale of Pirates/HM in terms of theming.

I’m not sure what you are measuring. I get .7 acres if you are being very generous and adding the whole rotunda. Are you guys mistakenly adding that backstage space behind the outdoor queue?

 

[mickEblu]

Yeah he seems to just be catching up with the rest of us.

He’s also very confused why all those trees near the crosswalk came down.

My guess is they are moving the curb and crosswalk over, given the way the road is now being shaped by the construction site.

Or prep for the future bridge

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m not sure what you are measuring. I get .7 acres if you are being very generous and adding the whole rotunda. Are you guys mistakenly adding that backstage space behind the outdoor queue?

Here is how I'm measuring, if you stick as close the building including all the exterior queue and yes you have to include the rotunda and even a bit of the backstage stuff behind for the building itself like electrical, gas, etc. (this doesn't even include all of it), which would put it about 0.9 acres.

Even if you cut off the top most portion of the backstage and measure it right up against the building it only lose another 1.8k sqft, so its still 0.8 acres, again almost 1 acre.

And that doesn't even include the overflow queue they put in front from time-to-time, the umbrella area you see, which add another 2k sqft, which again puts it at about 1 acre.

 

[mickEblu]

Here is how I'm measuring, if you stick as close the building including all the exterior queue and yes you have to include the rotunda and even a bit of the backstage stuff behind for the building itself like electrical, gas, etc. (this doesn't even include all of it), which would put it about 0.9 acres.
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Even if you cut off the top most portion of the backstage and measure it right up against the building it only lose another 1.8k sqft, so its still 0.8 acres, again almost 1 acre.

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And that doesn't even include the overflow queue they put in front from time-to-time, the umbrella area you see, which add another 2k sqft, which again puts it at about 1 acre.

Ok .8 is fair but I think when we re talking about 1 acre or under, 20% of the space isn’t exactly negligible. Either way it’s wild to think that POTC is only about twice the size of Mermaid. Shows you how far good execution goes. POTC seems about 10x bigger than Mermaid. It reminds me of that thing my Dad does when he would point to my 3 year old nephew for example and say two of him is Kobe. It doesn’t seem right but it is. Hahah.

 

[MistaDee]

Or prep for the future bridge

The idea that this dark-ride shaped plot of land has been cleared to prepare for a bridge to the Simba lot feels like youtubers searching for content

I think it's perfectly reasonable that there might be some surveying work going on across the street from DCA related to the redevelopment of the service road area that is related to an eventual Simba lot plan, but it just doesn't make sense to me that this land clearing is set up for that

 

[mickEblu]

The idea that this dark-ride shaped plot of land has been cleared to prepare for a bridge to the Simba lot feels like youtubers searching for content

I think it's perfectly reasonable that there might be some surveying work going on across the street from DCA related to the redevelopment of the service road area that is related to an eventual Simba lot plan, but it just doesn't make sense to me that this land clearing is set up for that

Agree in regards to the land clearing. I was referring to the trees being removed on the sidewalk in the vicinity of where the bridge would likely be going (if it does ever happen) in the future.

 

[DisneyAJ]

Well I’m super confused now.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Well I’m super confused now.

Help?!?

 

[Disney Irish]

Well I’m super confused now.

If I was to guess they are rebuilding the service road.

This is why I keeping saying over and over just wait and see where the foundation is poured. There is still a long way to go, still many moving pieces ahead.

 

[britain]