News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure

[Disney Irish]

Except it isn’t the same. Pixar Pier is more like a sugar dressing application. The examples I mentioned have undergone, or will undergo, much more substantial land overhauls.

You're cherrypicking examples from around the world trying to fit your narrative rather than actually looking at what Disney IS doing at Disneyland Resort. Disney is already allocating many Billions on expansion for DLR. Disney isn't going reallocate or forego spending those many Billions on expansion just to tear down the Pier and redo it for something else in the next 25 years, not especially when its still popular and was just redone 8 years ago. It might not be the retheme YOU want, but Pixar Pier is the retheme of the area that Disney wanted. And so it's more likely to stay the way it is for the next 25 years than be rethemed or torn down.

 

[coffeefan]

You're cherrypicking examples from around the world trying to fit your narrative rather than actually looking at what Disney IS doing at Disneyland Resort. Disney is already allocating many Billions on expansion for DLR. Disney isn't going reallocate or forego spending those many Billions on expansion just to tear down the Pier and redo it for something else in the next 25 years, not especially when its still popular and was just redone 8 years ago. It might not be the retheme YOU want, but Pixar Pier is the retheme of the area that Disney wanted. And so it's more likely to stay the way it is for the next 25 years than be rethemed or torn down.

Looking at examples from other Disney properties is cherry-picking now?
I don't think it will stay as it is until the 50th, even by just looking through a very narrow and limited DCA scope.

 

[mickEblu]

Looking at examples from other Disney properties is cherry-picking now?
I don't think it will stay as it is until the 50th, even by just looking through a very narrow and limited DCA scope.

What do you think it would be replaced with?

 

[coffeefan]

What do you think it would be replaced with?

I'm open to anything really so long as it's appropriately funded. That seems to be a reliable correlation between that and attraction/land quality.

 

[Disney Irish]

Looking at examples from other Disney properties is cherry-picking now?
I don't think it will stay as it is until the 50th, even by just looking through a very narrow and limited DCA scope.

It is when you’re not looking at how Disney is actually planning out and allocating funds for DLR and its track record for the same Resort.

None of us here know the future, but we can track probabilities based on past actions for said Resort. And it’s more likely for Pixar Pier to remain as it is for the next 25 years than for Disney to spend Billions on tearing it down and redoing it.

 

[Professortango1]

Lets face it, the Pier is not likely being torn down anytime in the next 25 years, and seriously doubt they would even retheme it again at this point. DCA will turn 50 and we'll still have Pixar Pier.

We have had 3 versions of the pier so far. I think they know the area isn't good, but cheap fixes have been the 2 updates. Hopefully with Coco pulling folks that way, they can fully fund a refresh/redesign that makes that area feel like a Disney park and not a cleaner version of the Pomona Fair.

 

[britain]

The closest thing to what you’re hoping for is when they took Cheap-but-IP-packed-Old Fantasyland and built New Fantasyland in 1983.

So, it’s not that there isn’t precedent, it just seems to be from a different corporate era. I don’t know if we’ll ever get any CEO to spring for “The same rides, just better” ever again.

 

[Disney Irish]

We have had 3 versions of the pier so far. I think they know the area isn't good, but cheap fixes have been the 2 updates. Hopefully with Coco pulling folks that way, they can fully fund a refresh/redesign that makes that area feel like a Disney park and not a cleaner version of the Pomona Fair.

All of that assumes of course that Disney doesn't see Pixar Pier as a success internally, which we cannot know for sure. So this seems more like wishful thinking that they aren't happy with the Pier in its current state. Given the track record for TDA I'm more inclined to believe they think Pixar Pier is popular and successful. So I cannot see them spending Billions on a retheme, even to another Pier theme, at all for the next 25 years. I mean if we still have TL sitting in its state for almost 30 years why would we think they would spend Billions to redo the Pier, not the MO for TDA or WDI.

So no I still stick with what I said, other than some minor updates we'll still have Pixar Pier for the next 25 years.

 

[coffeefan]

The closest thing to what you’re hoping for is when they took Cheap-but-IP-packed-Old Fantasyland and built New Fantasyland in 1983.

So, it’s not that there isn’t precedent, it just seems to be from a different corporate era. I don’t know if we’ll ever get any CEO to spring for “The same rides, just better” ever again.

I think the Paradise Garden section of the pier would be the most likely to happen first. (I'm still curious if Coco will alter any of that.)

Based on trip ratings, the Jellyfish, Zephyr, and GSS often rank among the least rated attractions at DCA. And except for BPP, the restaurants in that corner have always struggled, gone through many reinventions, and likely undergone the most menu overhauls in modern Disney history. So that area in particular seems to be a section that needs attention.

 

[DrStarlander]

Billions

??

 

[Disney Irish]

??

It would cost Billions to tear down the Pier and redo it including getting rid of Incredicoaster and WOC as has been suggested. This isn't some retheme where they just paint over the existing structures that is being suggested, its a complete redo. And I'm sorry but I just don't see that happening.

 

[DrStarlander]

It would cost Billions to tear down the Pier and redo it including getting rid of Incredicoaster and WOC as has been suggested. This isn't some retheme where they just paint over the existing structures that is being suggested, its a complete redo. And I'm sorry but I just don't see that happening.

Your statement was:

I cannot see them spending Billions on a retheme, even to another Pier theme

 

[Disney Irish]

Your statement was:

I'm aware of what my statement was, and I'm basing the figures on what is being suggested here on how they should change the Pier. What is being suggested was to remove a large chunk of what is there and replace it with something else, ie a complete redo, even if that was to another Pier, and it would cost Billions. Because you're tearing out upwards of 8 or more attractions and WOC and replacing them with something else even if another Pier theme. And given the leaning toward mega E-Tickets, it would be plopping down 2-3 at $250M a piece, plus the cost of whatever the rest of area, so yeah it would be over a Billion at least. So I said Billions plural for effect, sue me.

So again no I don't see them spending any money to retheme it even to another Pier, not even $1M.

 

[DrStarlander]

I'm aware of what my statement was, and I'm basing the figures on what is being suggested here on how they should change the Pier. What is being suggested was to remove a large chunk of what is there and replace it with something else, ie a complete redo, even if that was to another Pier, and it would cost Billions. Because you're tearing out upwards of 8 or more attractions and WOC and replacing them with something else even if another Pier theme. And given the leaning toward mega E-Tickets, it would be plopping down 2-3 at $250M a piece, plus the cost of whatever the rest of area, so yeah it would be over a Billion at least. So I said Billions plural for effect, sue me.

So again no I don't see them spending any money to retheme it even to another Pier, not even $1M.

I don't recall any scenario where people described completely tearing down the pier and WOC as you describe, only for the purpose of building a new pier. Please point me to that post so I can respond with sufficient ridicule.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't recall any scenario where people described completely tearing down the pier and WOC as you describe, only for the purpose of building a new pier. Please point me to that post so I can respond with sufficient ridicule.

Its not a single post, so I can't point you to just one. Its been multiple discussions that has been happening over the last month at least, so maybe it morphed into one big conversation in my mind.

So let me make it clear -

1. I don't see Disney tearing out Pixar Pier in the next 25 years.
2. I don't see Disney spending any money no matter the amount to even retheme it to some other Pier concept.

Its more likely to stay as Pixar Pier for the next 25 years than it is to be rethemed again.

 

[Gusey]

When people talk about replacing the pier, are they talking about the Pixar Pier area or the Paradise Gardens area that used to be a part of Paradise Pier? If its the latter, I can see them replacing that section eventually (Goofy, Jellyfish and Zephyr), but the actual Pixar Pier area is unlikely because of Coco, right? Surely, the fact that they are actually expanding Pixar Pier with the addition of Coco, even though we don't know how large Coco is yet, is something to be considered. If they weren't happy with Pixar Pier, they wouldn't be making it a larger land at the park?

 

[DrStarlander]

So let me make it clear -

1. I don't see Disney tearing out Pixar Pier in the next 25 years.
2. I don't see Disney spending any money no matter the amount to even retheme it to some other Pier concept.

Its more likely to stay as Pixar Pier for the next 25 years than it is to be rethemed again.

I totally agree.

 

[Professortango1]

Its not a single post, so I can't point you to just one. Its been multiple discussions that has been happening over the last month at least, so maybe it morphed into one big conversation in my mind.

So let me make it clear -

1. I don't see Disney tearing out Pixar Pier in the next 25 years.
2. I don't see Disney spending any money no matter the amount to even retheme it to some other Pier concept.

Its more likely to stay as Pixar Pier for the next 25 years than it is to be rethemed again.

I wouldn't say it is certainly going to happen, but I can certainly see a future where Disney updates the pier another time is 10-15 years.

It wouldn't take a ton to retheme the existing structures like they did previously for Paradise Pier into Pixar Pier. We know they didn't invest too heavily into Emotional Whirlwind or that area. Disney has to be aware that this corner and the Backlot are the weakest areas of their US parks. Coco will drive people back there, but they are going to need to improve the land to make people want to stay/spend money in those corners.

 

[Disney Irish]

I wouldn't say it is certainly going to happen, but I can certainly see a future where Disney updates the pier another time is 10-15 years.

It wouldn't take a ton to retheme the existing structures like they did previously for Paradise Pier into Pixar Pier. We know they didn't invest too heavily into Emotional Whirlwind or that area. Disney has to be aware that this corner and the Backlot are the weakest areas of their US parks. Coco will drive people back there, but they are going to need to improve the land to make people want to stay/spend money in those corners.

I think you're giving Disney too much credit and hoping for something based on your own personal preference rather than actually thinking what modern Disney will do.

 

[Professortango1]

I think you're giving Disney too much credit and hoping for something based on your own personal preference rather than actually thinking what modern Disney will do.

I do think that people still care and I could see another project startdust-type resort plussing/triage being applied leading up to Disneyland Forward just as we had prior to Galaxy's Edge. Or what we saw in Toontown with the opening of MMRR.

Dinoland was a point of criticism that was finally addressed. I see DLR addressing 3 aspects within the next 15 years:

Backlot Area (Avatar Announced)
Tomorrowland
Pixar Pier/West Corner.

I know Marvel and Star Wars were both planned for Tomorrowland at different, which is why I believe that land has sat stagnant for so long. Hopefully they can now lock into what TL will be moving forward vs waiting to see if we're going to use that for something else soon.