Children Returning to Schools

21stamps

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I haven't read through this entire thread, but in my city, the Catholic archdiocese is opening its schools for in-person classes, while the public school teachers' union threatened to strike - so public schools are opening with virtual learning. Same city, same virus statistics, different decisions. Not all parents have the resources or ability to stay home from work for months and the fallout from these decisions is going to be substantial. We're going to have to make difficult decisions for the benefit of society as a whole.

This has been my point all along. That last sentence, though, from what I’m reading, it’s really not “we”, it’s only the kids and parents at the schools who refuse to open, while other area schools are.
 

Chi84

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This has been my point all along. That last sentence, though, from what I’m reading, it’s really not “we”, it’s only the kids and parents at the schools who refuse to open, while other area schools are.
That's probably happening in my area too. I think the city school districts, both public and private, have made their decisions, but there are numerous suburban school districts under local control. If some decide to open and others don't, I'm not sure how much the ones that remain closed are going to help stem the spread of the virus.
 

21stamps

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That's probably happening in my area too. I think the city school districts, both public and private, have made their decisions, but there are numerous suburban school districts under local control. If some decide to open and others don't, I'm not sure how much the ones that remain closed are going to help stem the spread of the virus.

Yep. There’s 2 suburban districts close to me, within a couple miles of each other, one is virtual, one is choice of virtual or 5 day. Parents are understandably trying to make sense of it. If you live on one side of the line, your kids can go back, if you live across the street, your kids can’t. All depends on the teachers union/association in the district.
Also, with the virtual only schools here- they are not allowed to resume extracurriculars, from K-12.. but the neighboring schools are.
Kids and parents are trying to flee, but have no where to go at this point. The whole thing is a mess.
 

21stamps

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Yes, this is definitely the way to love forward.



Sounds like they were competent in planning for it. I give them a lot of credit for listening to what their communities want, and coming up with a plan. The only part I disagree with, is not having a mask mandate for students.

Students under quarantine receive assignments and support from their in-person teachers through the Canvas learning management system, said Jacoby. “They won’t be unenrolled from their classes and enrolled in digital learning with different teachers.”

“We agree that two weeks of remote learning for quarantined students is not ideal, but our community wanted the option for their children to return to school in person, knowing that we would likely have quarantines, school closures and a possible districtwide closure. Any school system opting to offer parents the choice for students to return to school in person needs to have a contact tracing plan in place and ample staff to perform this important function, and the community needs to be prepared for quarantines, school closures and possible districtwide closures,” said Jacoby
 
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21stamps

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We return in a week. Our school also has plans for what will happen if a classroom needs to quarantine. They have been working on it for quite some time now. Students will spend a time block of each day, for the first 7 days back, becoming familiar with the online programs.

All parents are aware that a class could end up in a 2 week quarantine, and we’re all receiving communication on what the distance learning would look like.
 

aw14

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Rumor running around NJ right now, is that some announcement about schools is coming this week. Most are expecting full virtual for the first marking period.
 

21stamps

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Rumor running around NJ right now, is that some announcement about schools is coming this week. Most are expecting full virtual for the first marking period.

The only positive about state wide closures, is that it prevents the situation I described above, where neighboring districts in the same suburbs, will be doing opposite things. On the other hand, it’s even more kids/parents left in a lurch.
 

aw14

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The only positive about state wide closures, is that it prevents the situation I described above, where neighboring districts in the same suburbs, will be doing opposite things. On the other hand, it’s even more kids/parents left in a lurch.
that is a huge problem (neighboring districts doing different things)

I live near a teacher from a neighboring district where I work. They are horribly confused, and dont understand how I am doing something different from what they are
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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I get it, we pretend that a select portion of teachers are the only one’s who shouldn’t be at any health risk during a pandemic, even though they’ve already been home for 5 months, while millions of others have returned to the outside workforce, because feeding their families must come before ‘sheltered safe at home’. Now, those families who have been putting themselves at risk, are at greater risk of losing their income or having struggling kids.

For those who must go to an office or into the field or work a retail/food job, there is no other option. Clearly. Our government has let us down in this regards.

For those where another option is available, we should all be wanting for those people to work from home to limit the impact it has on those who have to go to work because no other option is available. The kids who are doing virtual school, have chosen this option, deserve the same kind of care and consideration as those in school are. There is an option here, regardless if you want to admit it or not.

They aren’t doing the exact job. If they were, they’d be in the classroom. If a parent/student wanted to do online school, then they wouldn’t be enrolled at a brick and mortar school.

What aspect of the job aren't they doing? You can say it...

I don’t know where all of you live, I can tell you that my area is almost completely opened up, even movie theaters are coming back in a week or so. I’m at a dentist office as we speak, waiting for my kid to get a cleaning and extractions, then we’re going home to pick up our dog, and take him to the groomer. Then I’m going back to the office, and kiddo will go to soccer training later.
Life has resumed, in a modified form (masks/distancing/temp checks), but it has resumed.

The fact that there are school districts in this area who are going fully virtual, while traffic is on the streets and businesses are all open.. is an absolute disgrace, an utter failure of incompetence. There’s really no other way to say it.

Disgrace? Incompetence? Okay. Your posts are borderline satire at this point.

One of the most ridiculous things I've read in a very long time:


There does need to be a conversation about potentially returning taxes to people if the full allotment is not used by schools.

The only positive about state wide closures, is that it prevents the situation I described above, where neighboring districts in the same suburbs, will be doing opposite things. On the other hand, it’s even more kids/parents left in a lurch.

Person 1: Why are we being treated the same across the state?! My city is doing everything right and we have very few cases here! Let us live our lives while the rest can't figure it out.
Also Person 1: Why can't the state just make everyone go to virtual school so there's not confusion from city to city?!
 

Laketravis

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There does need to be a conversation about potentially returning taxes to people if the full allotment is not used by schools.

That's a stretch. If there happens to be any budgetary "surplus" due to Covid (highly unlikely as there are actually new costs on top of routine operational costs) it could be allocated to debt service.
 

21stamps

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What aspect of the job aren't they doing? You can say it...
They are not doing their job as described. If we don’t need kids in a classroom, then we don’t need school buildings. The buildings are there, so they can be filled with students and staff. School is more than just filling out a worksheet paper, or listening to a lecture, there’s an entire social element that goes along with it. There’s also a qualified teacher right there, to help the student in the moment. These are just 2 reasons why the great majority of people do in fact choose traditional schooling.
There was already an option, pre COVID, to do FREE online state schooling.. if parents and kids wanted that, then they wouldn’t be in the tax revenue paid for building.

These are facts, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not.

Person 1: Why are we being treated the same across the state?! My city is doing everything right and we have very few cases here! Let us live our lives while the rest can't figure it out.
Also Person 1: Why can't the state just make everyone go to virtual school so there's not confusion from city to city?!

If you read the post you quoted, then you would see that it’s not saying “all should go virtual!” It’s showing the issues of students and families, within the same communities, doing different things, and with issues of all not being in school. Two thoughts, same subject, not advocating for the former. Would have assumed that was clear.
 

21stamps

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DeWine is being very responsible right now. I had a slight fear that he may be cave as Beshear did, but, luckily he’s not under any political obligations. He’s leaving the decisions to the districts, asking them to listen to what their communities want, and also asking the communities to help prevent spread. Praising teachers and school staff, but also gently reminding them that students in the classroom is the goal.


Out of 611 Public School Districts in Ohio, here’s who’s doing what-

38%- 5 Day a week In Person (have a virtual option)

25%- Fully Virtual

24.5% - Hybrid

75 Districts- No data/undecided

A minimum of 62.5% of Ohio public school students WILL have the option to be in a classroom to start the year.

Here’s a few notes from the conference, given by pediatric medical experts -

They overwhelmingly recommend an option to return to the classroom.

Here what schools should do, in order of importance-

1. Masks.

2. Limit close contact of 15minutes or more, 3ft is sufficient. 6ft is ideal, but probably not practical.

3. Hand Washing

4. Regular cleaning of surfaces, any cleaning product is fine, nothing special required. Also pointed out that COVID dies quickly, as soon as it dries.

These were the top 4 in keeping everyone safe, fine for schools to be successful in opening.
Then they mentioned ventilation, specifically as the lowest level of importance, but did say to open windows when possible.

Children’s hospitals have been trying to understand the severity/amount of infection in children age 0-18. They have been doing specific testing for this. Here’s some data from pediatric infectious disease and research experts-

14,000 Tested With Symptoms, age 0-18
8.6% tested positive

20,000 Asymptomatic, age 0-18, test results-
1.4% tested positive.

Out of the positive results, less than 1% had serious conditions.

Also out of the positive results, minority groups were 4-6 times higher than caucasians.



Based on all of this, which is much different from many of the experts in this thread and in the teachers unions, I’ll chose to trust the recommendations and data from pediatric medical professionals. It’s a bit funny that at one time, many here were saying “trust the experts”, but have somehow changed their tunes... I’m not quite sure why, would be interesting to know.
 

21stamps

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Oh, I should mention the quarantine recommendations.

All of the speakers said that “close contact” means technically considered exposure, but doesn’t automatically equal a positive case.
They define Close Contact as less than 3 ft away for a period of 15 minutes or more.

If a bus driver tests positive, the students who sit at the back of the bus do not need to automatically quarantine. Same with school buildings, they don’t need to quarantine entire schools.

Can a high school teacher not be 3ft + away from his/her students, with closer contact being under 15 minutes?
 

Angel Ariel

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Can we stop pretending that this wasn’t addressed by hybrid or a virtual option?
Class size isn’t addressed by virtual and hybrid options though, unless the district can live stream what’s happening in the classroom (which as I indicated earlier is not possible for many for many reasons). The same student:teacher ratio exists...the students are just in 2 different places at the same time, which actually makes it potentially more difficult to staff, as if you cannot livestream, it essentially requires 2 sets of staff, when schools barely have 1 set of staff to begin with.
 

21stamps

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Then you are a perfect candidate for distance learning. At the same time, hopefully realizing that many kids have returned to socialization and extracurriculars, and those kids don’t want to go back to being locked at home all day.




Class size isn’t addressed by virtual and hybrid options though, unless the district can live stream what’s happening in the classroom (which as I indicated earlier is not possible for many for many reasons). The same student:teacher ratio exists...the students are just in 2 different places at the same time, which actually makes it potentially more difficult to staff, as if you cannot livestream, it essentially requires 2 sets of staff, when schools barely have 1 set of staff to begin with.

It’s the same lesson plan. You can send out the same assignments. If live stream isn’t possible, then your record, and send afterwards.

There are times when improvising and thinking outside of the box are necessary, not just thinking statically while making excuses for why something “can’t” be done. Everyone in this country has had to that recently.
 

ImperfectPixie

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There are times when improvising and thinking outside of the box are necessary, not just thinking statically while making excuses for why something “can’t” be done. Everyone in this country has had to that recently.
That's pretty rich coming from someone who is demanding in-person learning or that teachers get a cut in pay for doing twice as much work.
 

21stamps

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That's pretty rich coming from someone who is demanding in-person learning or that teachers get a cut in pay for doing twice as much work.

This is yet another post which doesn’t make much sense as an answer to what was written. 🤷‍♀️
 
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21stamps

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Anyway, at soccer tonight, I was talking to team parents.. one is a principal at a local district, they still have decided what they’re doing. They have bought a ton of cleaning supplies, ppe, some black light things that janitors can use on a whole classroom or something.

Another is a parent at a school who’s doing a hybrid schedule, but where many teachers are posting on FB that they don’t want to return because it’s too dangerous. Apparently, one of those vocal teachers has taken two beach vacations this summer, goes to KI with her kids, belongs to a swim club and is there multiple times per week. Several of them are going to restaurants and swim clubs. Teachers are having a protest, parents are doing a counter protest. It’s getting nasty out there.
 
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