Children Returning to Schools

21stamps

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We have seen it every time we have gone out. Grocery stores, produce stands, gas stations, retail stores. even from employees.

like i said, it isn’t everyone. It is enough, however, for me to make the statement i did earlier. Your experience may be different. 🤷‍♀️

It does happen, for sure. It’s a relatively small amount of people here, especially now that it’s mandatory. I’m sorry that your area is different.
 

Patcheslee

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Do you think school should only return when we have a vaccine? Would everyone be required to get the vaccination?
Hoping that isn't a school requirement. I remember being iffy when Gardisil came out because it was unknown what long term effects were. After what a decade, it's seeming less likely major complications are common. I'd be willing to do one myself, but when it comes to the kids long term health? That's more of a worry.
I remember feeling like the worst parent in the world have she had hives from the DTap, worse things things I couldn't imagine.
 

21stamps

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Hoping that isn't a school requirement. I remember being iffy when Gardisil came out because it was unknown what long term effects were. After what a decade, it's seeming less likely major complications are common. I'd be willing to do one myself, but when it comes to the kids long term health? That's more of a worry.
I remember feeling like the worst parent in the world have she had hives from the DTap, worse things things I couldn't imagine.

I have similar thoughts. I am generally not anti-vaccine at all, but I will not get the coronavirus vaccine immediately after it comes out, nor will I allow it for my child.

This is why I keep asking the question of WHAT people want in regards to this virus and society, including schools to go back to a modified version. Is it a vaccine? Does everyone need to be vaccinated? Do we keep schools closed until the virus is completely gone?

These are important questions. They need to be answered by so many, from top decision makers down to the avg citizen.
 

21stamps

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Oh, @Patcheslee .. here’s something weird about your state. There’s mandatory mask laws now, but people are allowed to remove masks to smoke indoors. Someone I know was at a casino in Lawrenceburg this weekend, left when they realized that. However, they did say that workers were all over sanitizing and cleaning.. still sounds strange about the mandatory mask, but allowed to smoke.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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I have similar thoughts. I am generally not anti-vaccine at all, but I will not get the coronavirus vaccine immediately after it comes out, nor will I allow it for my child.

This is why I keep asking the question of WHAT people want in regards to this virus and society, including schools to go back to a modified version. Is it a vaccine? Does everyone need to be vaccinated? Do we keep schools closed until the virus is completely gone?

These are important questions. They need to be answered by so many, from top decision makers down to the avg citizen.

How will you feel if they say your child must be vaccinated for COVID-19 much like other vaccinations are required? I know your child goes to private school, so more than likely that won't be the case, but if they did?
 

seabreezept813

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Do you think school should only return when we have a vaccine? Would everyone be required to get the vaccination?
No I think schools should be in person when community numbers suggest little to no community spread or effective therapeutics are available for severe cases, or a vaccine. I do not think everyone would be required to get the vaccine although I think they should. I think anyone who does not vaccinate in general is selfish and should have limited access to public services. This would be different because of its novelty so it could take time for some people to come around. My mom still remembers lining up at school to get the polio drink, which I think people were required to have to go back to school, but not 100% sure. Still a vaccine allows those who do want the protection to take it, which is important.
My daughter got the flu last year even though she had been vaccinated. However, it was much less severe than it could have been because she had the vaccine. That’s what is needed with covid—something that can mitigate symptoms, especially knowing the randomness of how severely it can affect people.
 

21stamps

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How will you feel if they say your child must be vaccinated for COVID-19 much like other vaccinations are required? I know your child goes to private school, so more than likely that won't be the case, but if they did?

You couldn’t be any more wrong here. The standard vaccinations are required at our school, a vaccination list from the doctor as well as a back to school physical are all part of the annual registration process.

A flu vaccine is recommended but not required (my family does get them). I do not think anyone should be forced to get the coronavirus vaccine when first released... and I’m not anything close to an anti-vaxxer.
 

ImperfectPixie

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No I think schools should be in person when community numbers suggest little to no community spread or effective therapeutics are available for severe cases, or a vaccine. I do not think everyone would be required to get the vaccine although I think they should. I think anyone who does not vaccinate in general is selfish and should have limited access to public services. This would be different because of its novelty so it could take time for some people to come around. My mom still remembers lining up at school to get the polio drink, which I think people were required to have to go back to school, but not 100% sure. Still a vaccine allows those who do want the protection to take it, which is important.
My daughter got the flu last year even though she had been vaccinated. However, it was much less severe than it could have been because she had the vaccine. That’s what is needed with covid—something that can mitigate symptoms, especially knowing the randomness of how severely it can affect people.
The thing that REALLY bothers me with anti-vaxxers is that so many of them base their choice on a study that was rescinded by the author - he admitted that he made it all up. Now we're seeing outbreaks of measles because of their choices, and will likely see outbreaks of other diseases that haven't we haven't seen in decades in the US, and they won't change their minds even when you show them proof that there is no connection between vaccines and autism. Jenny McCarthy played a large role in the anti-vaxxer movement, and she should be ashamed of herself. Anyone who can, should get vaccinations, so that the majority of us can protect those who are immuno-compromised or who cannot be vaccinated for other health reasons...religious exemptions should be eliminated because those are abused just as much as ADA laws, if not more.
 

21stamps

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No I think schools should be in person when community numbers suggest little to no community spread or effective therapeutics are available for severe cases, or a vaccine. I do not think everyone would be required to get the vaccine although I think they should. I think anyone who does not vaccinate in general is selfish and should have limited access to public services. This would be different because of its novelty so it could take time for some people to come around. My mom still remembers lining up at school to get the polio drink, which I think people were required to have to go back to school, but not 100% sure. Still a vaccine allows those who do want the protection to take it, which is important.
My daughter got the flu last year even though she had been vaccinated. However, it was much less severe than it could have been because she had the vaccine. That’s what is needed with covid—something that can mitigate symptoms, especially knowing the randomness of how severely it can affect people.

Wow. Given that most businesses have opened back up, what you’re asking for is nearly impossible.
 

seabreezept813

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You couldn’t be any more wrong here. The standard vaccinations are required at our school, a vaccination list from the doctor as well as a back to school physical are all part of the annual registration process.

A flu vaccine is recommended but not required (my family does get them). I do not think anyone should be forced to get the coronavirus vaccine when first released... and I’m not anything close to an anti-vaxxer.

So far the conversations about the vaccine suggest that dangerous side effects aren’t a concern, simply the efficiency, like the flu vaccine. Will it be 30%, 40% efficient etc. Either way it’s something. We need something that will prevent the serious lung effects and other symptoms that put people in the ICU.
 

21stamps

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So far the conversations about the vaccine suggest that dangerous side effects aren’t a concern, simply the efficiency, like the flu vaccine. Will it be 30%, 40% efficient etc. Either way it’s something. We need something that will prevent the serious lung effects and other symptoms that put people in the ICU.

I wouldn’t judge anyone for getting it, and I wouldn’t judge anyone for not getting it. I just think it’s ridiculous, as in devastatingly irresponsible, to keep schools closed until the majority have taken the vaccine.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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You couldn’t be any more wrong here. The standard vaccinations are required at our school, a vaccination list from the doctor as well as a back to school physical are all part of the annual registration process.

A flu vaccine is recommended but not required (my family does get them). I do not think anyone should be forced to get the coronavirus vaccine when first released... and I’m not anything close to an anti-vaxxer.

I was referring to COVID-19, not standard vaccinations, when mentioning your private school. Considering there seems to be a religious divide when it comes to COVID-19 as well (for example, in Texas masks are required except in churches and churches in states have been exempted in other areas such as shutdowns), I wouldn't be surprised if states were to make a vaccine a requirement for students going to school that those who go to religious institutions would be exempted.

Which goes back to my original question (which you decided to ignore to tell me how wrong I was about standard vaccinations being required at your school even though I never said that), if the school required a COVID-19 vaccination for your child to attend school, would you?
 

21stamps

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I was referring to COVID-19, not standard vaccinations, when mentioning your private school. Considering there seems to be a religious divide when it comes to COVID-19 as well (for example, in Texas masks are required except in churches and churches in states have been exempted in other areas such as shutdowns), I wouldn't be surprised if states were to make a vaccine a requirement for students going to school that those who go to religious institutions would be exempted.

Which goes back to my original question (which you decided to ignore to tell me how wrong I was about standard vaccinations being required at your school even though I never said that), if the school required a COVID-19 vaccination for your child to attend school, would you?

We’re at a catholic school, our church has been requiring masks, not having music during mass, and recommending for high risk and elderly to do a live stream mass instead of going to church.. so I don’t include us (or any catholic school) with the “Christian” megachurches who have been a lot more relaxed about COVID procedures. So far our church and school have been exceptional during this time. Really the entire archdiocese has been great, taking a lot of safety measures, while losing a ton of money in the process.

As for the question, I am confident that the school would not require it. If we hypothetically say they did, my answer would depend on the available information at the time, as well as recommendations from friends and family who are more knowledgeable than I am, about these things. Especially since several work at one of the hospitals who are developing a vaccine, 2 are in positions where they would have good info.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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We’re at a catholic school, our church has been requiring masks, not having music during mass, and recommending for high risk and elderly to do a live stream mass instead of going to church.. so I don’t include us (or any catholic school) with the “Christian” megachurches who have been a lot more relaxed about COVID procedures. So far our church and school have been exceptional during this time. Really the entire archdiocese has been great, taking a lot of safety measures, while losing a ton of money in the process.

As for the question, I am confident that the school would not require it. If we hypothetically say they did, my answer would depend on the available information at the time, as well as recommendations from friends and family who are more knowledgeable than I am, about these things. Especially since several work at one of the hospitals who are developing a vaccine, 2 are in positions where they would have good info.

I'm glad you shared your anecdotal evidence. Not sure it was necessary though as it's kind of been a mixed bag around the US.

It's interesting that you would confer with recommendations from those more knowledgable than you are if that was to come, but you've already made the decision in the original post I quoted where you said:

I will not get the coronavirus vaccine immediately after it comes out, nor will I allow it for my child.

Why wouldn't you go with the recommendations of those more knowledgable than you are regardless? If there were no requirements, but those you trust and knowledgable came back and said that they recommend it to you, by your logic in response to my question, you would err on the side of getting it. It seems like instead of making blanket statements like you did in the quote above, you would be more apt to err on the side of experts. Just seems like two conflicting statements.
 

macefamily

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My daughter is a speech therapist at a school in Jacksonville, FL. She and her colleagues go back this Wednesday. They're going to set up their workspaces for social distancing, and the kids come back next week. We'll see how it goes.
 

21stamps

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I'm glad you shared your anecdotal evidence. Not sure it was necessary though as it's kind of been a mixed bag around the US.

It's interesting that you would confer with recommendations from those more knowledgable than you are if that was to come, but you've already made the decision in the original post I quoted where you said:



Why wouldn't you go with the recommendations of those more knowledgable than you are regardless? If there were no requirements, but those you trust and knowledgable came back and said that they recommend it to you, by your logic in response to my question, you would err on the side of getting it. It seems like instead of making blanket statements like you did in the quote above, you would be more apt to err on the side of experts. Just seems like two conflicting statements.

I’ve been talking to them this entire time. As of now, they wouldn’t rush to the vaccine either. They’re also sending their kids back to school, and their kids are in sports as well as resumed visits to entertainment venues. I trust doctors, surgeons, and researchers, especially those receiving internal updates in the pediatric field, more than I trust people who aren’t working in a pediatric field.
 

21stamps

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My daughter is a speech therapist at a school in Jacksonville, FL. She and her colleagues go back this Wednesday. They're going to set up their workspaces for social distancing, and the kids come back next week. We'll see how it goes.

All the best to them!
 

Patcheslee

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Oh, @Patcheslee .. here’s something weird about your state. There’s mandatory mask laws now, but people are allowed to remove masks to smoke indoors. Someone I know was at a casino in Lawrenceburg this weekend, left when they realized that. However, they did say that workers were all over sanitizing and cleaning.. still sounds strange about the mandatory mask, but allowed to smoke.
There's very few places bothering to even enforce it in my town. People are reminded, but I have yet to see entry refused or people told to leave. I didn't realize smoking was allowed in casinos, just assumed the respectful thing was go outside away from entry doors the few times I gone to them.
 

21stamps

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There's very few places bothering to even enforce it in my town. People are reminded, but I have yet to see entry refused or people told to leave. I didn't realize smoking was allowed in casinos, just assumed the respectful thing was go outside away from entry doors the few times I gone to them.
DeWine has a Snitch Line. Which I think has scared a lot of businesses here. KI is super strict will give a warning that ride will stop if someone’s mask is not covering theirs nose (though they had these rules prior to being mandatory from the state).. as is several gas stations, and retail stores- as in refusing entry. That said, the company I work for has yet to kick anyone out, that I know of. They offer a mask, but if someone cites medical reasons, then they allow entry. Employees are required though.
 

seabreezept813

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Wow. Given that most businesses have opened back up, what you’re asking for is nearly impossible.
Not really. Many schools in this area have set benchmarks for numbers in their community tied to phases of reopening schools. This seems to be the most logical approach.
 
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