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[TrainsOfDisney]

Which parts? The broken lights, the air-conditioned building that replaced an existing air-conditioned building, or the water cycle walk-through?

The tables in the shaded areas are nice - I don’t love the design but the Starbucks and Connections Cafe do serve the area better than the former Starbucks and electric umbrella. Some of the additional plants are nice (minus the one of questionable design of course).

Moana is good cause it’s an all ages walk through that is fun… it just looks like it was designed for another park, but it’s still a bit of a positive.

I like the concept of a Walt statue, but the execution leaves alot to be desired ha.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I forgot Pirates and PhilharMagic only has Coco from this century. Country Bears has modern songs now but not modern characters.
MK does always seem to be 20 years behind, New Fantasyland used film that came out then 20 years ago. Completely understand that Cars might not fit in Frontierland, but MK does need some IP injection from the last 20 years, particularly from the New Renaissance era of Disney (Princess and the Frog to Encanto)

C B movie was made in 2002. Though if you are saying the movie was forgettable, I think we'd all agree with you.

 

[James Alucobond]

What was the reason for Toy Story Land?
What was the reasons for Galaxies Edge?

I would assume cost overruns and (in the latter example) siphoning of entertainment offerings for eventual use in the Starcruiser. I didn't say things don't change, just that the scale of plan alteration, the genuine cutting of funding, and the reason behind it is different for EPCOT.

 

[Streetway]

C B movie was made in 2002. Though if you are saying the movie was forgettable, I think we'd all agree with you.

I disagree. It may be not good, but it’s not forgettable. I will never get the everything about Christopher Walkens character and performance to leave my Brain.

It is not ovah. Beahs.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I didn't say things don't change, just that the scale of plan alteration, the genuine cutting of funding, and the reason behind it is different for EPCOT.

It doesn’t really matter what the reason is does it?

Comparing released concept art to actual finished product- the “scale of plan alteration” seems pretty similar at Epcot, Toy Story Land, and Galaxies Edge.

 

[John park hopper]

It's easy to put down on paper great plans and visions --Diney seems to have a problem brining those plans and visions to completion

 

[James Alucobond]

It doesn’t really matter what the reason is does it?

Comparing released concept art to actual finished product- the “scale of plan alteration” seems pretty similar at Epcot, Toy Story Land, and Galaxies Edge.

The scale of the cuts is not the same at all. You had two full attractions abandoned (Poppins, PLAY!), one significant refurbishment cancelled (Spaceship Earth), and an ambitious architectural structure replaced with a gas station (Festival Center) in addition to the more typical alterations you might expect from overruns within the gardens themselves (e.g. no Wishing Tree, nixed water feature, diminished elevated area around the statue, etc.).

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The scale of the cuts is not the same at all. You had two full attractions abandoned (Poppins, PLAY!), one significant refurbishment cancelled (Spaceship Earth), and an ambitious architectural structure replaced with a gas station (Festival Center) in addition to the more typical alterations you might expect from overruns within the gardens themselves (e.g. no Wishing Tree, nixed water feature, diminished elevated area around the statue, etc.).

Those are multiple projects - I’m talking about the Epcot spine project only.

Otherwise I’d lump Galaxies Edge, Toy Story Land, and Runaway Railway into the same “DHS” project

 

[Quietmouse]

I have to imagine Covid had a huge impact on the nixes…

 

[el_super]

Those are multiple projects - I’m talking about the Epcot spine project only.

Why? For what end? To suggest that no new projects should ever be undertaken because the budgets will be cut? Even the opening of Disneyland had it's budget cut. It's not a valid reason to downplay potential new product.

 

[wannabeBelle]

Why? For what end? To suggest that no new projects should ever be undertaken because the budgets will be cut? Even the opening of Disneyland had it's budget cut. It's not a valid reason to downplay potential new product.

But it certainly is a good reason to manage expectations, given the company's history. Marie

 

[RSoxNo1]

Why is it still appropriate? How do you have an honest conversation about european expansion into the indigenous lands in north america, and still make it fun and lighthearted enough for the kind of entertainment people want in a theme park?

Why draw the connection and risk the controversy when you can just switch it all over to owned fantasy IP and reduce the anger?




Generally, if they end up keeping the name, it sounds like this is what they will be doing: redefining "Frontierland" to be about natural wilderness in the modern era, instead of drawing the historical comparisons from the past.

To clarify, I meant that my preferred name, "Riverfront Square" is no longer an applicable name since the area is no longer along a river front. What is appropriate is some sort of celebration of our expansion west from the 13 original colonies. Tiana's Bayou Adventure can be the starting point of the Louisiana purchase. Cars is the Pacific Northwest and Thunder Mountain is monument valley.

If the theme is "expansion west using Disney IP" than they've essentially outlined that.

 

[James Alucobond]

Those are multiple projects - I’m talking about the Epcot spine project only.

Regardless of how you want to arbitrarily scope the complaint, the Festival Center downgrade to CommuniCore Hall is a uniquely massive change in plans necessitated by a similarly unique reduction in funding. We’re not talking about opting not to build out a shop/restaurant interior or cutting some of the scenic decor and entertainment in the area.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

All good points.

• OK, jammed in for Pandora was wrong wording, and as I said, I like it very much.
• OK, the EPCOT renovation of future world is a huge disappointment to ME and in my opinion, it took too long for what we got.
• We totally agree on Harmonious to Luminous.
• We agree on Star Cruiser, my point is they should not have pulled the plug so soon to get the tax write off.
• I am giving TWDC some slack on Frozen ever after even if I was one of the weirdos who always watched the movie at the end of Maelstrom.

This is not a thread on Pandora, but I have mixed feelings about it, and where it is located. The rides have been popular, so in that way it is a success, but my inclination when I visit is to think up a number of ways it could have been better.

One tiny aspect is that they sell some fun, real plants in the post-FoP gift shop, but much of the land is fake plants. With a little more effort though they could have used exotic-looking real plants. It would be so fun if Pandora had real pitcher plants, for example, beyond the ones in the gift shop. Disney could have used real plants to make Pandora look exotic, as Seussland does.

If Disney really wanted fake plants, then they missed a grand opportunity to have the plants DO something that really puts them as part of the world of Pandora. They should interact with us in ways that are interesting. Pandora should have had something roughly like Potterworld's wands. Disney sells crap like lightsabers, and droids, but buyers can't actually use the sabers for saberfights. Ages ago Disney gave is interactive music spaces in Imagination, but nothing like that in Pandora, which is SUPPOSED to be a place with interactive powers.

I am slightly inclined to see Epcot's Moana as a fun interactive space. A fraction of what Pandora should have been, but a step in the right direction.

A properly built Pandora would have = AK is fun after dark.

Star Cruiser to me, is exactly what is wrong with the company right now. It was lame, bloated, absurdly overpriced, weirdly claustrophobic, and meant for a very limited audience.

Theme parks are best when they seek to create universally appealing experiences.

If WDW is going to remake RoA area, I'd much rather they create a new attraction that uses the existing water in some way.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To suggest that no new projects should ever be undertaken because the budgets will be cut?

I never said that lol. Not even close.

 

[el_super]

But it certainly is a good reason to manage expectations, given the company's history. Marie

As it is, they owe me nothing and I expect nothing. If I think the product they offer is worth the cost of admission I will go, but it's not like I'm owed something ahead of time.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

It's easy to put down on paper great plans and visions --Diney seems to have a problem brining those plans and visions to completion

I think a part of the problem is that they now release the concept art at events like D23. Seeing the concept art after the ride/land opens was perhaps better for us.

Mind, I realize there is some irony in posting the above sentiment.

For what it is worth, I generally try to really limit what I know about new rides before they open. I'm mostly here because I think getting rid of the RoA would be a mistake. Water and natural-looking landscaping are important aspects of theme park design.

 

[el_super]

I never said that lol. Not even close.

So again.... to what end does it matter the quality of their past projects as it relates to the ROA?

 

[el_super]

If the theme is "expansion west using Disney IP" than they've essentially outlined that.

I agree, they sort of have. But they will definitely want to de-emphasize any particular connection to historical fact or real-life locale.

 

[Brer Panther]

particularly from the New Renaissance era of Disney (Princess and the Frog to Encanto)

I'd argue that the "New Renaissance" era concluded with Moana.