A little bit of anger and a little bit of bargaining.
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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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TheCoasterNerd
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To answer your question, right now it's Concept Design.
Here is a quick rundown of the progression between phases.
(NOTE - this is educated guessing based on only one night of research, so I may be a little bit off on some of the exact definitions, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) I'll be using Galaxy's Edge as an example just to show progression between stages.
(Updated after further research 9/10/24 8:30 AM)
For reference, the initial BBTM concept art in 2022 with the little dark area was Blue Sky - This is designed to sell the idea to execs, greenlight further development. Any art released is VERY fanciful with NO set details at all, showing things that obviously could not truly be built as shown, simply provided to give the public an idea of what could be.
This year it was Concept Design - The initial design phase. This is where they work on designing the content, start R&D, do ride system tests, and work on what will be. Any art released takes much creative liberties, it's fanciful, will not accurately represent how it will truly look, but is there to show current plans. This is because content is still very much up in the air, changing near-daily at some points.
Schematic Design is "ok we know what we want in the land, we know where it's gonna go, now we actually figure out how to make it practically work" - stuff about capacity, guestflow, shopping, return on investment, where BoH stuff goes, etc. It's where they figure out "this is what we want it to look like, now how do we make it work with physics, building codes, laws, park rules, and decent for park ops to manage." Any art released here is still subject to change but is far more likely to represent what will be built.
Design Development / Detailed Design is when they decide ok yeah we know how to make this work, we know what IPs are going where, now we make final design choices, add all the tiny little details, make sure it's fully immersive, final architectural schematics, 3d renders, model/final concept art released to the public, get final approval. The land really doesn't change much after this phase. Any art released is almost certain to look nearly exactly how it will look irl.
Then of course Construction Documentation is exactly what it sounds like - creating show pieces, props, artwork, animatronics, and finally building and installing the full land. They may make last-minute choices or changes once they know what it actually looks like built, but this is construction and prepping for opening.
Sources - https://imagineeringtoolbox.wordpress.com/resources/the-imagineering-process-an-overview/, https://sites.disney.com/waltdisneyimagineering/our-process/
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lazyboy97o
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I don’t have time for detail, but this is not an accurate description of the phases of design.
TheCoasterNerd
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Interesting, I saw several different sites that said basically the same thing as what I put (including the official Walt Disney Imagineering website https://sites.disney.com/waltdisneyimagineering/our-process/)
However, I have since done more research and updated my post
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Chef idea Mickey`=
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It's just the first concept art of it's own. With Disney we know the finished product is never the same as the very first concept art. The first concept art is a vision.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Well my Bad. I first saw your replying under Florida Man and by mistake my reply was meant to reply under him as you can clearly see he is the one that hopes this gets canceled. My mistake, but doesn't mean you have to be mean about it just because it's not responded by what you wrote. Everyone else can read and know what your post says so being mean is unnecessary here.
*Do you think the the fandom would be more in favor of this if Disney dropped the second attraction if they could save a sliver of ROA.
*Not based on insider info just a question. Sacrifice kiddo attraction?
*Not based on insider info just a question. Sacrifice kiddo attraction?
Chef idea Mickey`=
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If your meaning cancel you mean for the Cars and later on adjusting changes for Villain's too? Yes Villain's is still in vision phase in concept art so any changes can be done.Out of all the projects announced, I hope this one is ultimately canceledand that the imagineers find a creative way to navigate around RoA to allow access to the land behind big thunder for expansion.
Some sort of transportation to the land—skyway, moving sidewalk, tunnel, bridge. This is Disney and they can figure it out. They lifted a giant golf ball into the air for crying out loud.
wannabeBelle
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Actually I think both can be accomplished. Save at least part of ROA and retheme TSI to the other kid friendly attraction/ playground. Access to the island might be a problem, but I dont think that would be overly difficult to solve. Marie
Bocabear
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If they are removing the main portion of ROA for this, a small sliver of it without the riverboat would be sad... If the sliver they could save was the riverfront of Frontierland that would be a nice break from the new "Autoparts mountainscape"...but realistically a kids second attraction flat ride does not eat that much space...so I am sure it would not make a difference... and whatever they would save would most likely be of little value to the overall look. I think they would gladly (and probably will) value engineer the second attraction out of the picture without saving any of the ROA though... I am currently in stage 3 of the DABDA Grief cycle...Denial Anger Bargaining Depression and Acceptance...
el_super
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Eventually it would rot away and need to be repaired, which would be pretty expensive if it's just a bench at that point.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Just keeping the boat for that backdrop just like you would have the Red Car Trolley on Buena Vists Street. It doesn't make sense just keeping the station dock building but throwing away the boat like it didn't bother needing existence.
Mr. Pusskers
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To ruin a paddle boat that has been a WDW classic for years to be replaced with cars is a shame and not a well thought out idea. The Magic Kingdom is not about cars or a multitude of Roller Coasters. The Magic Kingdom is about a relaxing time and enchantment of days gone by with a few great rides scattered around. Can you imagine Main Street USA now Futuristic style road or Cinderella's Castle reduced to fancy Condo's. The Paddle Wheel boat is an iconic classy experience of yester years. How about Walt's Train and the love of them. Magic Kingdom is relaxing, entertaining, getting the mind revved up for all the lands and adventures that awaits. I know things do evolve but Magic Kingdom is about living in yester year that had a real peaceful relaxing time when this country was evolving to what it is today. Those old-time charms are beautiful. Why can't they simply add Cars to another piece of property around the Kingdom? There is something so special about when you first enter into Magic Kingdom and see the old time overlay and balloons and shops, Horses Singers, Old time costumes and color and see the castle in the distance. Then onto to Liberty Square where you see that paddle boat and the thrill of riding something of yesteryear that use to fill the great rivers in the USA. Magic Kingdom is the nicest, colorful entrance to any park that I have ever been in. It's just so inviting and makes you smile, and your senses come alive. It's Walt's dream and imagination and a feel of connection to this place.
Maybe I am old or not wanting change on certain things in this park. This park is where dreams do come alive, and the possibility of adventure awaits. Elephants fly, we encounter pirates and visit a Haunted Mansion filled with ghost's and dive deep into space. We take the Jungle cruise to see exotic animals and river encounters in the jungle.
Any other Disney Park Cars could go and fit. But The Magic Kingdom is where WDW all begins. That's why I hate to see cars placed in and the Paddle Boat removed.
Maybe I am old or not wanting change on certain things in this park. This park is where dreams do come alive, and the possibility of adventure awaits. Elephants fly, we encounter pirates and visit a Haunted Mansion filled with ghost's and dive deep into space. We take the Jungle cruise to see exotic animals and river encounters in the jungle.
Any other Disney Park Cars could go and fit. But The Magic Kingdom is where WDW all begins. That's why I hate to see cars placed in and the Paddle Boat removed.
Starship824
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Saw someone bring tip the idea of docking it by GF, I think that would work great.
TheCoasterNerd
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I think it'd fit better at Port Orleans tbh
Starship824
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I do too but I don't think there's way to get it there. Apparently the canal that goes to Port Orleans from Bay Lake doesn't have enough clearance for the Liberty Belle. I guess they could put it on the large truck and bring over there? I don't think that's possible. Does anyone have an idea of how they got it there to begin with. I think the Liberty Belle was built on property but I don't think the first one was and Mark Twain at DL definitely wasn't.
JoeCamel
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Dock it at the service landing on the walking path and make a Marg Bar out of it.........
Bocabear
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I think many of us share this opinion... with 4 parks all in need of more attractions, this particular addition would be better suited to Hollywood Studios as part of an overall Pixar themed area. Once this happens though I see them using this change as an excuse to break the themes of all the lands to put whatever anywhere... I think the the train would be on the endangered list as well....
Bocabear
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I don't think the boat is really capable of being a true watercraft... I thought it was all on a track on the bottom of the river....Which would make it unusable in a normal situation....