News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[el_super]

Nobody uses the giant Mickey planter by the gates or the fountain at Gaston’s tavern. Why not tear all the decor down and just have the place set up like a Six Flags? Concrete and rides.

What they are putting in, will be used by more guests than what is there today.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

so clearly this decision is coming from a place of making the park better for the biggest majority of people.

Yes, that’s why Disney makes all of their decisions, clearly. (Is the sarcasm thick enough that you can’t miss it?)

 

[el_super]

Yes, that’s why Disney makes all of their decisions, clearly. (Is the sarcasm thick enough that you can’t miss it?)

Yes it is. Believe it or not.

 

[Starship824]

Disney world does not have that much history.

There are plenty of users on here that are older than Disney world.

Walt had his every ounce and being dedicated to the creation and planning of Disney land. Unfortunately he could never really see out that vision with Disney world to its fullest extent.

That’s why I somewhat roll my eyes at the purists. Disney land has every right to have purist thoughts attached? Disney world, meh.

WDW has over 50 years of history. Just because Walt didn't have a direct hand in designing Magic Kingdom doesn't mean we should just ignore the work of everyone else who worked on it. Especially because most if not all of those people worked very closely with him.

 

[celluloid]

What they are putting in, will be used by more guests than what is there today.

Well looky at the guy who always chimes in when attendance is low saying Disney does not want more people.

 

[el_super]

Well looky at the guy who always chimes in when attendance is low saying Disney does not want more people.

Apparently the attendance wasn't all that low at all.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What they are putting in, will be used by more guests than what is there today.

I guess we will find out in 6 to 8 years...

By then who knows what we will actually end up with.

 

[duncedoof]

Disney world does not have that much history.

There are plenty of users on here that are older than Disney world.

Walt had his every ounce and being dedicated to the creation and planning of Disney land. Unfortunately he could never really see out that vision with Disney world to its fullest extent.

That’s why I somewhat roll my eyes at the purists. Disney land has every right to have purist thoughts attached? Disney world, meh.

It exists. It was built. It's been developed. Yes, it has history.

I am once again pointing at the sign:

On Integrity

"Now, I have this to say, and I love Disneyland dearly, but when it comes to Walt Disney World -- to hell with Disneyland.

Disneyland has a colorful and unique history. But so does Walt Disney World, and Walt Disney World's history has been slowly whittled away these past few years by thoughtless and presumptive choices, choices held up only by ignorance of the unique local culture of the Florida park. [...]

Walt Disney World needs to start thinking long-term now, now that forty years have breezed past. They need to seek out and maintain a roster of talent who know and have Walt Disney World bound into their blood and every fiber of their body the way Disneyland does. So far, the last two decades they've been content with Marriott hotel managers and accountants, people who don't see past the ends of their own nose. And lots of being led around by the wrist by Disneyland. But Walt Disney World, she isn't the second Disneyland. She's the first Walt Disney World. And she needs to start acting like it."

Penned 12 years ago...

 

[Andrew C]

I’m looking at this project as a perfect opportunity to improve the beauty and refine the story of Frontierland and Liberty Square.

I genuinely think that when all is said and done, Frontierland and Liberty Square will have more beauty, feel more lively, and give a greater sense of tranquility.

I’m especially looking forward to these tucked away paths in Frontierland where one gets a peak through the trees of a grand waterfall and as we get closer, the bustle of Frontierland fades away and we are captivated by the sight and sounds of rushing water cascading down the cliffside. The water flows under the bridge and beneath our feet. We turn around to see where it’s going and it’s a beautiful oasis of crystal clear water surrounded by a lush landscape of trees.


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I am not sure what Disney has done recently that gives you any sense that this will occur. Also, dissecting the concept art they provide...well, I have learned a lesson or two from that.

 

[TP2000]

So about that 2500 guests per hour. Is Disney going to force people at gunpoint to ride that boat and experience that island?

WDW guests have shown over the past decade+ they don’t want to get on that boat or go to that island. No amount of colors on google maps is changing that.

I understand that for many WDW fans who have never, or rarely, visited Disneyland or Tokyo Disneyland, the idea of a busy and popular Rivers of America with multiple popular attractions is crazy talk.

Here's a quote from me from 2010 from this exact forum, reflecting on a recent WDW visit I had made in 2009, and the comparison to WDW's Rivers of America from a Disneyland perspective was stark. And this conversation context was after a huge Rehab the Disneyland river got in 2009, before it got an even bigger rehab and major plussing and rerouting in 2017...

You think? TDO seems to have left the Magic Kingdom river to rot, if my last trip in '09 on the riverboat was any indication. Magic Kingdom's Rivers of America has just one working boat, and some very tired and worn out looking scenery, and all the charm of a landscaped drainage canal.

The Disney Parks Blog has a neat little video showcasing the current eye candy along Disneyland's Rivers of America, including the first use of live horses in the Indian Village. Whether your attraction of choice is the Mark Twain Riverboat, the Sailing Ship Columbia or the Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes, there's a lot to see along Disneyland's river. http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/07/video-shows-changes-to-rivers-of-america/

On my last trip along WDW's Rivers of America, nothing seemed to work, and most theme elements seemed to have been abandoned by the maintenance department.

That TDO and WDW management has left their Rivers of America to rot for decades now is not the fault of the paying guests who know that, and thus avoid wasting time on a lone riverboat to look at a landscaped drainage canal (my phrase from 2010).

So fix it! Plus it up! Make it great again! And WDW fans would be wise to stop letting TDO get away with these lowered expectations and declining showmanship standards. Or else, you get what you deserve in your favorite theme parks. Or what used to be your favorite theme park.

 

[KDM31091]

The extreme backlash makes me wonder if any of this project will be reconsidered. Most likely not, but it’s definitely a larger than usual backlash
I’m hoping they at least maintain a semblance of the river and dock the boat.

 

[Quietmouse]

It exists. It was built. It's been developed. Yes, it has history.

I am once again pointing at the sign:

On Integrity

"Now, I have this to say, and I love Disneyland dearly, but when it comes to Walt Disney World -- to hell with Disneyland.

Disneyland has a colorful and unique history. But so does Walt Disney World, and Walt Disney World's history has been slowly whittled away these past few years by thoughtless and presumptive choices, choices held up only by ignorance of the unique local culture of the Florida park.

Walt Disney World needs to start thinking long-term now, now that forty years have breezed past. They need to seek out and maintain a roster of talent who know and have Walt Disney World bound into their blood and every fiber of their body the way Disneyland does. So far, the last two decades they've been content with Marriott hotel managers and accountants, people who don't see past the ends of their own nose. And lots of being led around by the wrist by Disneyland. But Walt Disney World, she isn't the second Disneyland. She's the first Walt Disney World. And she needs to start acting like it."

Penned 12 years ago...

Yes, but how much did Walt actively play into Disney world? I know he bought the land and had preliminary ideas and concepts , but obviously Disney Land was where he physically walked the streets. I just don’t think it’s a fair comparison.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's not the logic of this expansion, though. The proposed design is full of planted areas, full of water and rockwork, and full of decor, often inefficiently so in order to hide the Cars vehicles from the rest of the land.

The hiding is a big part of the problem. The space was all organized around an open vista along the implied edge of the river. Dropping in a dramatic, defined edge condition is going to change the space in a way that contradicts its design. Something occupying the river space should be something you can see across the lands to maintain the design language of the lands.

 

[KDM31091]

I am not sure what Disney has done recently that gives you any sense that this will occur. Also, dissecting the concept art they provide...well, I have learned a lesson or two from that.

Exactly. Almost every recent project has been a letdown at worst and stripped down from the artwork significantly at best. There’s not much reason to be confident unfortunately

 

[Quietmouse]

The extreme backlash makes me wonder if any of this project will be reconsidered. Most likely not, but it’s definitely a larger than usual backlash
I’m hoping they at least maintain a semblance of the river and dock the boat.

The only reason why plans would change at this point if there was another global pandemic, and/or a large global recession.

Both of which are somewhat realistic at this point with economic uncertainty playing a large factor in todays time and Bird flu bringing uncertainty as the next pandemic.

 

[TP2000]

For example, are Cars made in a factory or…ahem…?

… it’s best not to think too hard about the Cars universe.

No, I encourage it. Because it's hysterical!

In Cars Land, the Luigi's Rollicking Roadsters ride is sponsored by Enterprise Rent-A-Car. A car can pay to rent a fellow car for a short bit of time in the Cars universe? So does that mean that Luigi's Cassa Della Tires is actually the town's house of prostitution and ill repute?

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[James Alucobond]

The hiding is a big part of the problem. The space was all organized around an open vista along the implied edge of the river. Dropping in a dramatic, defined edge condition is going to change the space in a way that contradicts its design. Something occupying the river space should be something you can see across the lands to maintain the design language of the lands.

Right, just saying that this update is not like deleting planters. It's more like filling in planters designed for low floral with large sightline-blocking trees or sculptures.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I like the idea of a Pacific Northwest area in the Magic Kingdom. The mental gymnastics taking place to keep the Frontierland name is a bit strange. I wouldn't be surprised to see a name change entirely, especially if Haunted Mansion gets absorbed by Villains Land.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

“You'll never answer this question by relying on surveys, polls, data trends, etc because they measure what has already happened. They lead not to novelty, but to a kind of predictability that eventually becomes tedious, like a worn out relationship where one partner is just trying too hard. “
- Joe Rohde

 

[RSoxNo1]

Isn't that the ride system that was pitched for a Jurassic World/Park ride years ago?

Maybe, conceptually it appears to be a smaller vehicle version of Reign of Kong or Fast and Furious.