News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[brb1006]

Man @WDW1974 would have had a field day on this site over this.

 

[Grantwil93]

All depends on how you experience the parks too. The seas can be 10 minutes of waiting and riding the Nemo ride or it can be 60+ minutes experiencing the aquarium, watching a dolphin presentation, turtle talk, etc.

I’ve also been told the number of attractions I’ve experienced is “near impossible” without LL and yet I did it without even trying haha.

I'm definitely a person who likes to take my time, I just have also shotgunned the parks hitting only the big stuff and the difference between them in terms of time sink using that approach is only super apparent with MK.

 

[brb1006]

Why can't nostalgia and new coexist--- WDW certainly has the space for both

OLC/Tokyo Disneyland manages to maintain this mindset.

 

[el_super]

Let me just throw this out there--one of the reasons DCA's Carsland is so detailed and complete is because John Lasseter protected the project through development. I'm not sure the WDW version would have the same level of theming without a very high up exec walking the project through from start to finish and insisting that the project have few, if any, cuts based on cost.

That wasn't necessarily a good thing, considering how much Lasseter overspent to bring back the Flying Sauces for a couple months.

 

[Grantwil93]

OLC/Tokyo Disneyland manages to maintain this mindset.

If every park was operated by them, the world would be better. It's been an ongoing trend that other companies/creative seem to know what do do with Disney IP better than Disney currently does.

 

[UNCgolf]

The interesting thing about the MK argument is that EPCOT's most successful period ever was when it was essentially nothing like the MK. It eventually became outdated and attendance declined, but as they've tried to make it a bit more like the MK over the years with IP, it's never really made a huge difference or brought back the popularity it had in the early years when it was essentially equal with MK in attendance.

I think Disney is better off with the parks being distinct from one another -- but they all need enough to do. MK is a multi-day park right now if people want to do everything it offers; EPCOT is the only other park that's potentially in that category and even that feels like a stretch.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Next to the paddle boat that is already there?

Other side of DS. Plus, that's a restaurant and (larger?)

 

[hopemax]

It's a great time to travel internationally. Doesn't really have anything to do with the content of the park. Unless you're suggesting they are just tired of the quintessential Disney experience, and we DO need to look at replacing the castle.

Are you suggesting 20 million people were spending upwards of $200 per person to take photos of the Castle?

Or are you saying that 20 million people will continue to spend an ever increasing amount of money, and /or an ever increasing amount of time in standby lines because the Disney experience is *that* good? Despite all the reports from all the people that are still frustrated by it now, when the MK is the least Hunger Gamesy of the parks.

Yes, I'm saying that people will tire of the Disney experience, because it won't be quintessential Disney, it will be "may the odds be ever in your favor."

 

[Tha Realest]

Muppets is definitely more beloved by the 20-40 year old demo, which is why that one has more negative opinions among guests and the internet atm

Muppets is more beloved by 20-40 demo than the Simpsons?

 

[lazyboy97o]

The Riverboat is going away totally, not being docked. There's no place to dock it if they don't have any water.

Richard will almost certainly be joining Joe in the big river in the sky. It makes no sense to put up with the maintenance

Apparently the issue with this is the water needs to be connected to the canal around BTMRR.

I’d be all for it if it were feasible

The lock is there to maintain the water level in the park so that it’s not moving up and down and much as the larger system. The water management system can be altered and it is being altered to remove the Rivers of America. A buried culvert under ground would be able to maintain the connection. But even then, the water could be fully disconnected.

Yeah, Because the ROA at WDW is essentially a wild river attached to the lagoon that they have a dam(the lock)to drain it. As far as i understand it, if you cut it off from the lagoon, it's a stagnant pond with no significant enough infrastructure to filter it, treat it, move the water, etc. And a stagnant pond in the south is a non starter.

There are detention ponds all over the place. They’re not filtered. Some have a fountain to keep the water moving.

 

[Grantwil93]

Other side of DS. Plus, that's a restaurant and (larger?)

Paddlefish is definitely bigger. Probably more than twice the mass. I also don't even think it moves.

If they ever did that DVC resort on the River Country plot, the boat could be utilized there if it was gutted and parked.

Right now it's not really re-workable as anything but a gift shop with an inaccessible(to whhelchairs and such) top floor picture/viewing area. No matter where you park it.

 

[Grantwil93]

Muppets is more beloved by 20-40 demo than the Simpsons?

More beloved than Tom Sawyer Island and the boat, was what I was trying to say.

 

[Quietmouse]

The interesting thing about the MK argument is that EPCOT's most successful period ever was when it was essentially nothing like the MK. It eventually became outdated and attendance declined, but as they've tried to make it a bit more like the MK over the years with IP, it's never really made a huge difference or brought back the popularity it had in the early years, when it was almost equal with MK in attendance.

I think Disney is better off with the parks being distinct from one another -- but they all need enough to do. MK is a multi-day park right now if people want to do everything it offers; EPCOT is the only other park that's potentially in that category and even that feels like a stretch.

The interesting thing about the MK argument is that EPCOT's most successful period ever was when it was essentially nothing like the MK. It eventually became outdated and attendance declined, but as they've tried to make it a bit more like the MK over the years with IP, it's never really made a huge difference or brought back the popularity it had in the early years, when it was almost equal with MK in attendance.

I think Disney is better off with the parks being distinct from one another -- but they all need enough to do. MK is a multi-day park right now if people want to do everything it offers; EPCOT is the only other park that's potentially in that category and even that feels like a stretch.

I think Epcot would be rather successful if they tied an aliens lane and planet of the apes lane since Disney has 20th century in their portfolio now.

I think if you made Epcot a sci fi themed land with aliens, planet of the apes, maybe throw in a replica of wakanda in there…I think that would be rather fruitful for Epcot.

If disney were super smart they would try to figure out how to acquire the dune and blade runner ip as well.

 

[UNCgolf]

I think Epcot would be rather successful if they tied an aliens lane and planet of the apes lane since Disney has 20th century in their portfolio now.

I think if you made Epcot a sci fi themed land with aliens, planet of the apes, maybe throw in a replica of wakanda in there…I think that would be rather fruitful for Epcot.

If disney were super smart they would try to figure out how to acquire the dune and blade runner ip as well.

God, I would hate that. EPCOT was the main reason I loved going to Disney as a kid, although almost everything about that park is gone now. I don't want them to go even further away from that original version.

The general public would probably like it, though.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

The lock is there to maintain the water level in the park so that it’s not moving up and down and much as the larger system. The water management system can be altered and it is being altered to remove the Rivers of America. A buried culvert under ground would be able to maintain the connection. But even then, the water could be fully disconnected.


There are detention ponds all over the place. They’re not filtered. Some have a fountain to keep the water moving.

Practically speaking, this sounds significantly more expensive to complete and regularly maintain than what Disneyland did to readjust their river, no? And that’s not even factoring in current interest rates for initial construction contracts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But its not about being 'stupid', its about Disney building its parks for the majority.

Then they should be building a steel coaster there.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

As this settles in, I think the nostalgia argument @johnparkhopper asked is what finally has been anchored here. WDW is there for people with nostalgia about Disney films, especially those that sell merch. The move of Parks under the commercial area of the company played the biggest role. If you are part of the guard who enjoyed the consistent theme, original creations, etc., you're money is welcome - but you (and your nostalgia) is not the focus. It is fully expendable. The company wants the nostalgia of people with kids who love the movie characters and buy the merch/themed food (at least at WDW).

This is a focusing of the audience. And, I can see the financial benefit of it. The one-time visitors won't care regardless and are probably expecting a lot of Disney character references. The people they want visiting over and over are DVC, those who buy character merch, and those who love the IP attractions. And, they are now actively sacrificing the "old" nostalgia.

I realize this isn't anything new... and water (even when removed) is still wet. It's more the clarity of just how far they plan to take this.

And, I should say, I am growing to accept the removal of the river. I wouldn't mind it if the new area was done well. If they were using the land as a way to properly stitch together that area ala Fantasy Springs or the like. I could envision a Frontier Land with "Critter Bayou", "Thunder Mesa" and "Wilderness Pass". Or, they could create a mountain range that traversed America in some way, taking the idea of the RoA upward. I could even get behind making Frontierland into Critter Bayou and creating a New Frontierland out of the remnants of Liberty Square plus this new area (Mansion going to Fantasyland like in Tokyo.) But, the goal should be making better sense of the area. Not finding a vehicle for a popular IP and trying to shoehorn it in. New Fantasyland worked well for this. Other lands less so. I don't want Frontierland to become the next World Discovery or Tomorrowland. But, that's what we're getting... And I think we're just going to get more of that in coming decisions.

Sorry for the rant. This one is just many of the straws. Before, I was angry. Now, going to Disney and spending money on dinner and the like just feels like it's not worth it any more. There's a time when you realize you just aren't welcome as the audience any longer.

 

[Grantwil93]

Richard will almost certainly be joining Joe in the big river in the sky. It makes no sense to put up with the maintenance


The lock is there to maintain the water level in the park so that it’s not moving up and down and much as the larger system. The water management system can be altered and it is being altered to remove the Rivers of America. A buried culvert under ground would be able to maintain the connection. But even then, the water could be fully disconnected.


There are detention ponds all over the place. They’re not filtered. Some have a fountain to keep the water moving.

Id be all for some more fountains, but all that sounds like redoing the infrastructure anyway without solving the crowd flow issues or the issue of resurfacing the riverbed. And throwing random fountains in the RoA between the island and frontierland doesn't exactly seem like a really cohesive option.

 

[brb1006]

When they changed the castle hub to the current version, the park lost some serenity/aesthetics, but that will seem incredibly minor to the whole riverfront disappearing.

Prior to the current hub, Cinderella Castle having trees help give the park more personality and its own identity. The trees even managed to hide the parade floats that ran across the park during the day and evening hours.

The park even felt more lifelike since the trees located in front of the castle twinkled during the evening hours.

Old Magic Kingdom really hits different compared to the post-Hub redesign.

 

[Tha Realest]

More beloved than Tom Sawyer Island and the boat, was what I was trying to say.

Ah gotcha. Yeah no question. I thought the comparison was to The Simpsons.