MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

While I would love to see as many attractions preserved, at some point, you're going to either end up with something completely different that when it started, or you're going to end up with a museum.

I have no issue with attractions getting plussed and evolving. Haunted Mansion is way different then when I rode it as a kid. But it’s still the haunted mansion.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

I have no issue with attractions getting plussed and evolving. Haunted Mansion is way different then when I rode it as a kid. But it’s still the haunted mansion.

I agree, and I think that most people would, as well. That ride is universally beloved. However, Haunted Mansion was a very different ride than something like the original Snow White or Alice in Wonderland rides at Disneyland. I'm personally glad that those have gotten "plussed" and are still around, but I know that some other people would rather see them replaced.

Like I said before, many MK rides from my childhood are now long gone, and much if that happened during the Eisner era. I guess it's not a "one size fits all" kind of issue, as Magic Kingdom is not Disneyland, but some opening MK rides are just as beloved as their DL counterparts.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln was not actually moved to Disneyland. It opened in Disneyland in 1965 while continuing to play in New York for the second season of the fair.

Noted.

Good museums don’t actually remain static and unchanging.

Well, that depends on the type of museum. Also, the museum can change how they present their subjects, but historical artifacts are usually best left either restored or preserved in their found state. Even some restorations are actually detrimental to the original appearance and/or longevity... I'd rather not repeat that "are attractions art?" discussion, as I have no interest in getting involved in that.

Some might say that Disneyland is actually similar to a living museum, and maybe they're not wrong. Where this leaves MK and other parks, I don't know.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Some might say that Disneyland is actually similar to a living museum, and maybe they're not wrong.

The park was heavily inspired by the Henry Ford Greenfield museum - and they still have quite a few similarities. (For one, Walt actually walked and visited the park multiple times!)

I could see another version of history where the Walt Disney family owned and operated Disneyland or ran it as a non profit like the Disney family museum.

So far there has been a decent balance in California. In the words or Mary Poppins “practically perfect… and I hope it remains so”

 

[GordoInTheParks]

Those previous comments on living museums, and some restorations or enhancements being detrimental to the artifact, really got me thinking about Disneyland's People Mover, and the Rocket Rods that killed it... I also sometimes wonder if Carousel of Progress would be better served being back at Disneyland, with MK really leaning into attraction removals and replacement over progressive upgrades and preservation.

 

[FettFan]

I mean i'm sure you could have found some better examples than this. Like objectively.

A single show scene/how some fountains look are in no way comparable to the design of an entire land. I would hav atleast gone for the original TBA concept art instead with the ship + Tiana outside.

okay then…how about the Epcot redo that never happened? The new fancy double-decker festival pavilion/floating garden that was planned but cancelled, where the Southwest annex of Communicore was demolished…then quietly rebuilt?

Or how about the blazing solar hellscape that is Toy Story Land where the conceit is you’ve been shrunken down to the size of toys in a backyard, yet the concept was done so much better 30 years prior where giant blades of grass provided shade and a massive garden hose with a misting “leak” gave relief from the central Florida climate?

What are some examples?

I would say removing the Tomorrrowland speedboats removed in favor of Submarine Voyage.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

The park was heavily inspired by the Henry Ford Greenfield museum - and they still have quite a few similarities. (For one, Walt actually walked and visited the park multiple times!)

I could see another version of history where the Walt Disney family owned and operated Disneyland or ran it as a non profit like the Disney family museum.

So far there has been a decent balance in California. In the words or Mary Poppins “practically perfect… and I hope it remains so”

I was just reading about the Henry Ford Greenfield Museum.

The more I step back, the more that I'm impressed that so much of DL is still intact. Yes, they killed the People Mover, and yes, the sky buckets are gone, and I would love to see both restored some day, if at all possible, but the fact that so much still exists is what really blew me away upon my first visit, and I've never really looked at MK the same, afterwards. Especially after I'd already seen so many changes over there. Even the way that they were able to expand DL, it somehow doesn't undermine what's there, since the layout was very carefully thought out from the very beginning, and expansion was probably more considered in the design than it was when they built MK.

On that note, I honestly believe that this discussion that we've already had about Villains Land, and keeping RoA in any form other than an ugly doughnut, or having an awkward walk around Big Thunder should have never had to happen, as I really do think that expansion should have been more considered in the planning of MK, the way that it seems to have been for DL, where shortening the river was not an issue, nor was it too tight for people to walk between the river and the attractions, to get people north of the river.

 

[GordoInTheParks]

okay then…how about the Epcot redo that never happened? The new fancy double-decker festival pavilion/floating garden that was planned but cancelled, where the Southwest annex of Communicore was demolished…then quietly rebuilt?

All of those things were canceled or scaled back by Bob Chapeck, as was the cutback on the fountains that you mentioned earlier, which were actually planned to be on barges that floated out every night. As I've said before, some people are considering him a "scapegoat" for his 2.5 year tenure. I've got other words that I'd rather use, instead. I consider his cutbacks a destruction of progress that has set the FL Disney parks WAY behind! The Epcot overhaul missed its window, and will now have to be re-budgeted, and delayed until after other planned expansions and renovations. That's just the way it is, unfortunately.

 

[Plummet]

okay then…how about the Epcot redo that never happened? The new fancy double-decker festival pavilion/floating garden that was planned but cancelled, where the Southwest annex of Communicore was demolished…then quietly rebuilt?

Or how about the blazing solar hellscape that is Toy Story Land where the conceit is you’ve been shrunken down to the size of toys in a backyard, yet the concept was done so much better 30 years prior where giant blades of grass provided shade and a massive garden hose with a misting “leak” gave relief from the central Florida climate?



I would say removing the Tomorrrowland speedboats removed in favor of Submarine Voyage.

Okay yep Epcot redo is another good example.
Toy Story Land is not because its fairly spot on from most of its concept art other than the loss of some stores. All the other stuff you're mentioning is completely irrelevant to the point

 

[GordoInTheParks]

Okay yep Epcot redo is another good example.
Toy Story Land is not because its fairly spot on from most of its concept art other than the loss of some stores. All the other stuff you're mentioning is completely irrelevant to the point

I'm on neither side of this, but the Epcot redo failure may have been an example of not living up to expectations set by concept art, but it was certainly not any example of standard operating procedure, since it was both hamstrung by the CEO that only lasted 2.5 years, and also happened to be during a global pandemic.

I honestly see no reason to believe that this area won't be similar to the concept art, as even the updated park map they released was extremely similar in layout,. Not that concept art is ever intended to be 1:1 with the finished product, hence the use of the word "concept".

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Toy Story Land is not because its fairly spot on from most of its concept art other than the loss of some stores.

That’s an exaggeration- there were lots of theming elements cut from the original released art. Wasn’t there going to be an indoor meet and greet too?

I honestly see no reason to believe that this area won't be similar to the concept art

I agree. I don’t think the fun map is 2.0 - I think the original released art is still the basics of what we are getting.

 

[Purduevian]

Was poking around the DRL fantsmic thread... and I was wondering if anyone thinks they might use Piston Peak as a new fireworks viewing location... DLR uses their fantasmic fountains for projections, but piston peak could use fountains and potentially the peak itself as a projection surface. Could draw some people off mainstreet. Red could be fountain screens (like fantasmic) and green could be projected surfaces that would still get a view of the fireworks.

Here is a highly sophicticated mock up.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Was poking around the DRL fantsmic thread... and I was wondering if anyone thinks they might use Piston Peak as a new fireworks viewing location... DLR uses their fantasmic fountains for projections, but piston peak could use fountains and potentially the peak itself as a projection surface. Could draw some people off mainstreet. Red could be fountain screens (like fantasmic) and green could be projected surfaces that would still get a view of the fireworks.

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Here is a highly sophicticated mock up.

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Disneyland also redesigned the area around the river to step down to accommodate viewing. Without doing similar you’re going to have the same problem as the Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster preshow.

 

[Purduevian]

Disneyland also redesigned the area around the river to step down to accommodate viewing. Without doing similar you’re going to have the same problem as the Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster preshow.

Depends on how high the projectors would be on the mountain/peak.

I don't think the castle hub slopes down for more people to see projections on it

 

[Nickm2022]

if anything I imagine Villian's will have a good view of the fireworks and Frontierland won't. but also don't think that's a bad thing as it kinda forces half of MK (FRL and AL) to stay open as people watch fireworks from Villains, TL, FL, and Main Street

 

[Purduevian]

if anything I imagine Villian's will have a good view of the fireworks and Frontierland won't. but also don't think that's a bad thing as it kinda forces half of MK (FRL and AL) to stay open as people watch fireworks from Villains, TL, FL, and Main Street

 

[parksandtravel]