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Captain America 4
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MarvelCharacterNerd
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This trailer just confused me. And I'm not the general public.
Sam's Cap and has a sidekick Falcon I only know because I watched the D+ show but the president doesn't like him and there's a Red Hulk that looks like 30 years younger Harrison Ford and the dude from Alias is in jail and Moff Gideon is there, too.
Mmkay.
Sam's Cap and has a sidekick Falcon I only know because I watched the D+ show but the president doesn't like him and there's a Red Hulk that looks like 30 years younger Harrison Ford and the dude from Alias is in jail and Moff Gideon is there, too.
Mmkay.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’m glad I wasn’t the only one, I thought the first 2 minutes of the trailer looked amazing, the last 30 seconds were very confusing though. If I hadn’t watched Falcon and the Winter Soldier I don’t think I’d have known what was going on the first 2 minutes either though.This trailer just confused me. And I'm not the general public.
Sam's Cap and has a sidekick Falcon I only know because I watched the D+ show but the president doesn't like him and there's a Red Hulk that looks like 30 years younger Harrison Ford and the dude from Alias is in jail and Moff Gideon is there, too.
Mmkay.
The trailer makes me want to see it on a big screen though so it hit its mark for me, it feels very action packed, big, and “Marvel”… those are things that all benefit from seeing it in a theater rather than waiting to watch it on my couch.
LSLS
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Totally agree with everything here.
erasure fan1
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Yea that's been my big question mark for some of the movies. Will the normies jump in even when they might not know what's going on or the perception of not knowing what is going on? This could be an issue with thunderbolts as well. It will be interesting to see for sure.
That's the key. If the trailer resonates with the public, they should be fine. That's why I think the marketing push is so important. That opening week can/will make or break a film. And I think the trailer looks good. It looks fun and that's what the casual person wants. My only worry personally, is that the film is a mess narratively and structurally because of all the reworks they've done.
Ghost93
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I really don't think Falcon and the Winter Soldier is required viewing for this movie. Sam was given Captain America's shield in Endgame. Falcon and the Winter Soldier gave him some more character development and elaborated on how he came to accept taking on the Captain America mantle, but I think someone could easily go into this without feeling like they need to watch his show.
This isn't like Multiverse of Madness, where viewers who skipped WandaVision would be completely confused as to why Wanda is a witch, why she has two children and why she's gone crazy.
erasure fan1
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That's true. But I think perception could play a bigger role than some think. I know, it's not the end all be all but in my circles, there's a large segment of people that feel like marvel is homework now. If done right, it really won't matter. Like I said, if it's fun and entertaining, it should be fine. So hopefully they straightened out whatever the issues they had with it.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Can you please let me know what "issues" you're talking about as I'm not aware of any actual issues?
erasure fan1
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It's been pretty well reported that they've had issues. From Collider :
A 'Captain America: Brave New World' Star Has Seemingly Confirmed Even More Reshoots
Giancarlo Esposito has made comments that suggest he will be returning to Captain America: Brave New World for additional reshoots.
collider.com
for the record I was right on the money with that one.Don't always read things as a negative. You said yourself, every film is scheduled for reshoots. I've said the same. But ask yourself why. Answer: because something didn't work. Or more commonly known as, an issue. If they fixed whatever didn't work, great, smooth sailing. That's what I was saying. I subscribe to where there's smoke, there's fire. But it doesn't mean I think the film is doomed. I'll wait until it opens to judge.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I guess I don't see any of that as an "issue". An issue to me would be say if they fired someone and needed to reshoot due to recasting. But none of that happened here. Something didn't work as originally shot, and they reworked the story through reshoots. That to me is normal Hollywood, as very few movies get released as originally shot.It's been pretty well reported that they've had issues. From Collider :
I don't really feel like rehashing the red flags debate from a couple months ago. But you are, again, conflating issue with bad. They shot the film, obviously found "issues" then added a new character with, from what I've seen, was over 3 weeks of reshoots. Now I know your stance on reshoots and how they are not a red flag. But just for reference, you argued me me that borderlands had no red flags. And we all know how that turned out.A 'Captain America: Brave New World' Star Has Seemingly Confirmed Even More Reshoots
Giancarlo Esposito has made comments that suggest he will be returning to Captain America: Brave New World for additional reshoots.
Don't always read things as a negative. You said yourself, every film is scheduled for reshoots. I've said the same. But ask yourself why. Answer: because something didn't work. Or more commonly known as, an issue. If they fixed whatever didn't work, great, smooth sailing. That's what I was saying. I subscribe to where there's smoke, there's fire. But it doesn't mean I think the film is doomed. I'll wait until it opens to judge.
Anyways, we'll see how it turns out.
As for Borderlands, as I recall I said it could be bad I just didn't automatically subscribe to the "smoke there's fire" system that you do.
Also on the don't read as things automatically as negative, I'll say likewise.
Ghost93
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That sort of happened with The Marvels (although that movie being bad also didn't help). You didn't need to watch Ms. Marvel or WandaVision to understand what was going on, but many people had that perception going in.
LSLS
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Reshoots aside, the test screenings came out bad enough they needed to redo the story with a different writer. I don't have a problem calling that an issue with the original (red flag discussions aside). To me, not being an issue would be if like a scene didn't work, or a minor detail. The implications thr entire story needed reworked would qualify as an issue to me (or at least, that the test screeners had a real issue).I guess I don't see any of that as an "issue". An issue to me would be say if they fired someone and needed to reshoot due to recasting. But none of that happened here. Something didn't work as originally shot, and they reworked the story through reshoots. That to me is normal Hollywood, as very few movies get released as originally shot.
Anyways, we'll see how it turns out.
As for Borderlands, as I recall I said it could be bad I just didn't automatically subscribe to the "smoke there's fire" system that you do.
Also on the don't read as things automatically as negative, I'll say likewise.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I understand your point, even if I disagree with it, but what are they suppose to do just let the movie release as is even though it tested poorly? I mean I guess maybe that could work out, but then I would expect to hear almost unanimous criticisms about why they didn't fix it with reshoots before release if it doesn't. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I know its easy for us to just say hey get the script right before principal shooting, but that isn't a reality in a majority of films. Which is why studios have test screenings to begin with. Its a gamble either way. If it was so easy every film would be a winner right out of the gate.
LSLS
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No, you absolutely do exactly what was done here. I think you are reading more into the worry people have than is there. People (at least speaking for myself and a few others here) dont think you just roll it out as is, and they certainly wrent saying reshoots or the rework are a mistake. Its just a tough fix if there are big issues when its reshoots where you are going to be more limited in time and budget. But you absolutely try to fix the issue, which is the point originally. There was obviously a big issue with the story, so the hope is they fixed what the issues were and we have a good one here. The worry comes from the fact it's rare to have the entire story reworked with multiple reshoots and have it come out well (yes it can happen). But I do think most here are kind of saying that in good faith. I know I really want this to be good (as do some others here judging by the comments). I like falcon, and I want some wins for marvel.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Maybe I am reading too much into things, it happens with many posters around here reading too much into things. I'm going to continue however saying the same thing I always have whenever this topic is brought up, reshoots are a normal part of Hollywood. Reshoots doesn't mean there is "smoke" (to put it the way the other poster did), no matter how much is reshot. Yes it can still lead to a bad movie, but that doesn't mean it was better before the reshoots, ie if it was bad after the reshoots it was more likely worse before the reshoots and the studio tried to save it but couldn't. Or the flip side, reshoots can enhance an already good movie and make it even better by punching up the story.
Anyways we're all gonna have to wait and see, hopefully this will be good. Giancarlo hopefully added to the movie and made it better.
erasure fan1
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Absolutely not, you fix the movie. I don't think anyone thinks any other way. And that was my whole point. They found an issue, something wasn't working, and they tried to fix it. That's how it should be. Now we will see if they did a good job with it.
Personally I don't think that way at all. Not everything is going to work the way you might have thought it should. And that's fine. Where I make the distinction between normal reshoots and concerning, is the why. When reshoots move into changing large portions of the movie, changing large portions of the plot, bad test screening, that is when I get into concern. Not dooms day or automatic failure, but there could be an issue.
Exactly right. The type of reshoot makes a difference too. When I see reports that the story was changed a lot, and a new character added, the test screenings were poor... For me that's a concern. That doesn't mean I'm writing off the film or anything like that. Infact Falcon is a favorite character of mine so I want to love this film. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to bring up potential problems on a discussion forum.
Disney Irish
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Again I just see it different, as I see nothing wrong or concerning with even the "whys" here. Could it be bad, yes, but that is not concerning to me. Maybe I've just seen enough movies now over my life that things like this don't concern me.
Also I never said it was wrong to bring things up in a discussion forum. As you want to discuss the things that are concerning to you about the movie for others to discuss. And on the flip side I don't think its wrong to point out like I have that this is a normal part of movie making and maybe shouldn't be much of a concern also so others can discuss.
erasure fan1
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For me, when it is a (film, video game, tv show...) that I care a lot about, those types of things are concerning. Because more often than not, the end product is average to poor. There's exceptions no doubt, and rogue one is a perfect example of that. And I hope this is one as well.
I have the same opinion as well. I've seen enough movies in my lifetime to know when something is a concern and what the outcome could be. As I said the first time this came up. No studio plans for huge chunks of a film not to work and to have shift a films story arc. Sure it happens, but that's not the plan. Rework a few scenes that aren't working or could work better, or to make adjustments? Absolutely.
Well...
It's the 2nd time you've questioned the legitimacy of my statement of concerns. And that's after we ended on an agree to disagree the last time. It's fine to say the concern doesn't bother you. But the things mentioned are the definition of concern, maybe not yours, but for others it is. And when you quote someone with, what "issues" , I'm not aware of any actual issues. And the fact that you singled out just that part, for a 2nd time. Tell me you think I shouldn't post that opinion without telling me I shouldn't post it.
Disney Irish
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This is where we go back to just agreeing to disagree. As I'll never just automatically see reshoots as been an "issue".
I honestly didn't know what you were talking about regarding "issues", that is why I asked what you were talking about as maybe something new came to light that I wasn't aware of. Which there wasn't, as its the same thing from months ago, but that is beside the point as there could have been something new.
So maybe take your own advice and don't automatically assume that something is negative just because it differs from your point-of-view.