Bob Iger deserves more credit because

[Pizza Moon]

The acquisitions he did, when he did them, is why Disney is not owned by another company today.

The stock buybacks, when he did them, is why The Walt Disney Company is not owned by another company today.

He cut dividends, to ride out the storm of COVID.

He did made so many mistakes, notably, Star Wars and some other things. He's imperfect, we all are. If I was CEO, I wouldn't fixed many of those oversights, but

Would you rather Disney have Marvel, or Disney Animation and Disney Live Action and their parks be owned by a private equity company?

Truly curious because he's the reason why Disney is still a conglomerate.

People that held Disney and didn't panic sell will easily see their stock returns double by 2030 IMO, under Josh's "unleashed budgets" and pivot to parks and gaming leadership, while righting the horse with Dana for their movies.

My guess? Disney has both the untouched "original" versions on Disney+ and AI updated ones to improve various things. They will both exist side by side.

Disney+ needs playlists though, lol. It also wouldn't surprise me if they legitimately just remake the sequel trilogy as their next big one, and then do an Old Republic one later. They'll just do reshoots for consistency, just kidding, they'll use AI. I mean, didn't Peacemaker do this to some degree DDD

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I don't know that he deserves more credit only because I think he's already pretty adequately credited for most of this.

Whatever people's issues with Iger are, valid and invalid alike, I don't see even most of his biggest critics making the suggestion that he didn't build Disney out into a much larger beast of a company that has proven more capable of riding out bad weather than it was in the past.

I think for a long while we're going to go through a post-mortem period of dissecting everything he did, and things are going to be generally unfavorable toward him through that process just as it was with Eisner. Some of that will be undeserved, much of it will be deserved.

But over time, a few decades on, I do think ultimately most will remember Iger for his redevelopment and respositioning of Disney after several years of structural and cultural stagnancy than they will for the price hikes (a thing he didn't start, just continued) and streaming follies (he was far from the only CEO to go chasing this dragon and I think Disney has gotten through it in better shape than many of their peers have), as much as both are still red marks in his ledger.

It's very hard to tell what his parks specific legacy is going to be because, well, this isn't really a good place to consider that. This is a bubble, and opinions that are popular here are not necessarily popular among all fans and the general public. I think his parks legacy will be measured much more by what lasts in the parks for the next 20 or 30 years than by how people feel and think about these things right now.

His second round I think has done some damage to his overall legacy, but the 2010s were a particularly good time for Disney and whatever pains they've had in the 2020s, it was that run in the 2010s that allowed Iger to be the first CEO to retire from the company and it not be on the verge of complete destruction since the 80s.

But the thing about that is, I don't know that most Disney fans are really going to be the ones to cheer that on. Disney fans generally celebrate the creative leaders, and Iger by his own admission was not that. I think history will generally look at his tenure as good but with some asterisks and notable weak moments, but I think his legacy among fans will remain mostly mixed, but with acknowledgement that he did strengthen the company's bones up quite a bit.

If nothing else, he's leaving the place in better shape than he found it in, even for all the problems that it does currently have.

 

[brb1006]

The only thing I will highly praise for Iger was bringing Oswald the Lucky Rabbit back to the Disney Company during his earliest days at CEO of Disney. Before returning to Disney, Universal completely abandoned him for 40 years and made him notably cutesy during the later Walter Lantz era. I recently seen a few Lantz-Era Oswald cartoons on MeTV Toons (via "The Woody Woodpecker Show" and "Toon In With Me") recently and they made him too cutesy and nice (especially the colored era ones).

 

[Pizza Moon]

I don't know that he deserves more credit only because I think he's already pretty adequately credited for most of this.

Whatever people's issues with Iger are, valid and invalid alike, I don't see even most of his biggest critics making the suggestion that he didn't build Disney out into a much larger beast of a company that has proven more capable of riding out bad weather than it was in the past.

I think for a long while we're going to go through a post-mortem period of dissecting everything he did, and things are going to be generally unfavorable toward him through that process just as it was with Eisner. Some of that will be undeserved, much of it will be deserved.

But over time, a few decades on, I do think ultimately most will remember Iger for his redevelopment and respositioning of Disney after several years of structural and cultural stagnancy than they will for the price hikes (a thing he didn't start, just continued) and streaming follies (he was far from the only CEO to go chasing this dragon and I think Disney has gotten through it in better shape than many of their peers have), as much as both are still red marks in his ledger.

It's very hard to tell what his parks specific legacy is going to be because, well, this isn't really a good place to consider that. This is a bubble, and opinions that are popular here are not necessarily popular among all fans and the general public. I think his parks legacy will be measured much more by what lasts in the parks for the next 20 or 30 years than by how people feel and think about these things right now.

His second round I think has done some damage to his overall legacy, but the 2010s were a particularly good time for Disney and whatever pains they've had in the 2020s, it was that run in the 2010s that allowed Iger to be the first CEO to retire from the company and it not be on the verge of complete destruction since the 80s.

But the thing about that is, I don't know that most Disney fans are really going to be the ones to cheer that on. Disney fans generally celebrate the creative leaders, and Iger by his own admission was not that. I think history will generally look at his tenure as good but with some asterisks and notable weak moments, but I think his legacy among fans will remain mostly mixed, but with acknowledgement that he did strengthen the company's bones up quite a bit.

If nothing else, he's leaving the place in better shape than he found it in, even for all the problems that it does currently have.

My point is simply that it didn’t matter.

AI will fix their bad remakes and movies on Disney+ while the originals will still be available unaltered, and they’re already fixing Galaxy’s Edge, cleaning house with layoffs cutting their bloat, and they absolutely could remake the Star Wars sequels.

IMO, Avengers Doomsday is going to be fire.

 

[mkt]

Like Eisner, he stayed far too long past his expiration date.

 

[Tha Realest]

Like Eisner, he stayed far too long past his expiration date.

Don’t disagree - but too long as in the lead up to Covid, or focusing on his return stint?

I tend to think the former.

 

[John park hopper]

The only thing I remember about Iger is he said he was going to hold the line on price increases ----did just opposite ----LIAR

 

[celluloid]

Anyone who is that scared of a book coming out about him, probably should be.