News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

MagicHappens1971

MagicHappens1971

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HMF said:
The estate of Hans Christen Anderson would dispute that.
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From what I understand: In essence Frozen is original, inspired by Hans Christen Anderson's "The Snow Queen". Being that the story is in public domain, Disney's characters in Frozen are original, and they are Disney's. The estate of Hans Christen Anderson also has no issue with The Little Mermaid, being an original Disney classic. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland also inspired Disney's film Alice in Wonderland. I don't really get where you're going with that the stories aren't original.
 
HMF

HMF

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CaptainAmerica said:
How is that any different than CarsToyStoryBeautyandtheBeastSnowWhiteCinderellaLittleMermaidLionKing or any other film that has a theme park presence? That's what The Walt Disney Company is, at its core. That's what the theme parks are. It's a place where beloved characters come to life.
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That's what the Magic Kingdom was. Epcot had a far greater purpose than that.
 
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doctornick

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articos said:
There will always be trees between the countries. The pads in WS are set back a bit.
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For comparison, Norway and China are in neighboring pads. If they fill in any empty pad with a new country, it would be a similar degree of close/far as those two. Of course, if they build in the space between Germany and China, there are two pads there and it would only be right next to Germany. The other pads would be in between/right next to two existing countries.

And on that note, I would think that if they do add a new country to WS that the pad next to Germany would be the most likely place but that's just my guess.
 
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doctornick

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marni1971 said:
Land has plans but it's way down the list. Unless sponsorship pulls rank it could be after Imag.
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Land should be way down on the list. Energy (seems like it is getting attention), Innoventions (same), Imagination (maybe?) and WoL (pretty please?) should all be far more pressing than anything in the Land. At least IMHO.

azox said:
Glad to hear this, I think M:S is such a unique experience at Epcot and glad to hear it will be staying. Really, I think the lineup of M:S, TT, Soarin, SSE and living with the land are all great to keep around.
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Agreed. And that's actually a good core of attractions, so fixing up the other ones in FW would make a big difference to compliment them.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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HMF said:
That's what the Magic Kingdom was. Epcot had a far greater purpose than that.
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No, EPCOT would have had a greater purpose but EPCOT was never built. And it's a damn good thing, because it would have bankrupted the company and we wouldn't be talking right now. Something as grand as the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow could never exist without the singular vision of Walt.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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doctornick said:
Land should be way down on the list. Energy (seems like it is getting attention), Innoventions (same), Imagination (maybe?) and WoL (pretty please?) should all be far more pressing than anything in the Land. At least IMHO.
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That global warming propaganda movie is pretty garbage. But yeah, the pavilion is fine.
 
Matt_Black

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HMF said:
There's a difference between the days when characters were used as one part of a larger pavilion to help support the theme. It's another thing for the characters to overtake the pavilion and dilute the theme as you see with The Seas with Nemo & Friends.
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Can you not walk around the aquariums and learn about sea turtles and manatees any more? Oh, wait, you can totally still do that. You don't even need to ride the ride to do that; you can go in from the other entrance.
 
RobidaFlats

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Matt_Black said:
Can you not walk around the aquariums and learn about sea turtles and manatees any more? Oh, wait, you can totally still do that. You don't even need to ride the ride to do that; you can go in from the other entrance.
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He specifically used the word "dilute", not eliminate.

Does Nemo inspire you to think about a future where we have created a seabase on the ocean floor? Oh, wait, Nemo inspires you to get lost in a fantasy world of talking fish. Fun, but not in the theme of Future World.

"Mommy, when I grow up I want to design a seabase and study marine life in their own habitat."
"Mommy, I want to hear a sea turtle tell jokes."

Which one of those supports the theme of inspiring people to look with optimism to the future?

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Matt_Black

Matt_Black

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RobidaFlats said:
He specifically used the word "dilute", not eliminate.

Does Nemo inspire you to think about a future where we have created a seabase on the ocean floor? Oh, wait, Nemo inspires you to get lost in a fantasy world of talking fish. Fun, but not in the theme of Future World.

"Mommy, when I grow up I want to design a seabase and study marine life in their own habitat."
"Mommy, I want to hear a sea turtle tell jokes."

Which one of those supports the theme of inspiring people to look with optimism to the future?

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Considering we don't HAVE sea bases now, I'd say that failed. Why not encourage kids to learn about sea life with fun?
 
RoysCabin

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Matt_Black said:
Can you not walk around the aquariums and learn about sea turtles and manatees any more? Oh, wait, you can totally still do that. You don't even need to ride the ride to do that; you can go in from the other entrance.
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Somewhat, but it doesn't change what's been diluted, both from the edutainment perspective as well as in terms of sheer theming and progression within the pavilion.

The Living Seas was designed in a very specific way: queue with aquatic artifacts and props, to the theater for the background on the topic, finishing with a glimpse into the present/future which then opens to you in the form of the hydrolators, then a specifically themed part of the pavilion in which you are meant to feel as if you have descended to the ocean floor (whether it could've been done better was likely a matter of funding back in '86) before entering a themed sea base that doubled as a real life research area. Heck, you couldn't even leave without taking an "ascending" hydrolator, since ignoring that detail would kill the theming and the pavilion "story".

The Nemo alterations really eliminate just about any continuity and instead create a disjointed experience, especially now that the sea base doesn't seem to know if it wants to be its original 80s self or be more of just a themed area for Nemo-themed fish tanks, photo ops, and merchandise. This was a half-measure, and it shows: the experience is what's diluted, as even though sea base retains some of its original trappings (e.g. the manatee/sea mammal observation level, a few of the remaining educational pods) they now stick out more in a way that feels disconnected from the bulk of the pavilion's experience.

Many would agree that Living Seas, much like Energy today, was in need of some sort of refreshing, but by defaulting to "slap on the pre-existing movie" with a structure that had to retain its aquarium and various other aspects from the original construction, it doesn't really flow well anymore. I still like to visit the aquarium portion when I'm in EPCOT, but for me it hurts the overall experience that the ride before it is disjointed from the aquarium, thus killing any chance at immersion (not to mention that the ride itself is pretty awful), but heck, it's even jarring to me that entering only the aquarium means I have to enter and exit through a Nemo merchandise gift shop. What was once a contiguous, relatively smooth flowing (though eventually dated), clearly thought out pavilion experience now suffers from a clear lack of flow and a lack of theme.
 
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MerlinTheGoat

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CaptainAmerica said:
Fossil fuels have done more to alleviate human suffering than any technology in the history of mankind, including medicine.
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Lolno, not even arguable. Medicines from the past 100-200 years have increased the average lifespan by several times. Vaccines and antibiotics in particular have saved countless lives and have all but wiped out some diseases. I owe my life to antibiotics, it's entirely possible I could have died during childhood without them.

Fossil fuels have unquestionable benefits, but they definitely don't come close to matching the benefits to humanity that medicine has. They have also caused a lot of suffering (some of which we are only just now starting to witness) as well.
 
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