solidyne
Well-Known Member
I think that is the point. Perhaps the CMs are there because of this mess.[...] I’m not really understanding what you’re getting at, dining reservations at WDW have been a mess for years [...]
I think that is the point. Perhaps the CMs are there because of this mess.[...] I’m not really understanding what you’re getting at, dining reservations at WDW have been a mess for years [...]
The fact that "simply haven't planned" is an off-hand insult leveled at THEME PARK GUESTS and a supposedly legitimate reason why paying guests can't eat or ride what they want is such an incredibly glaring indictment of modern WDW and the degree to which fans are willing to excuse the inexcusable. Paying $120 for a one day pass to a theme park and then not being able to ride or eat where you want IS a "genuine issue."I mean, every time I’ve ever interacted with them, they’ve literally just given me a “use this pass for anything” affordance, but I also only approach them when there’s been a genuine issue, not when I simply haven’t planned.
I didn't mean it as an insult. I meant that I sometimes go to the parks without a plan, and on those days, I don't expect guest relations staff to help me in any way because I intentionally didn't reserve anything.The fact that "simply haven't planned" is an off-hand insult leveled at THEME PARK GUESTS and a supposedly legitimate reason why paying guests can't eat or ride what they want is such an incredibly glaring indictment of modern WDW and the degree to which fans are willing to excuse the inexcusable. Paying $120 for a one day pass to a theme park and then not being able to ride or eat where you want IS a "genuine issue."
I didn't say that there shouldn't be more capacity in general to alleviate the overcrowding, just that the idea that one should be automatically entitled to anything and everything for the price of admission is inherently flawed. You could add tons of capacity to Hollywood Studios and I still very much doubt hopping on Rise of the Resistance would be anywhere near a sure thing.Problem is, every table service restaurant is "Absurdly Popular"... Almost every attraction that is not Swiss Family Robinson Tree House is "Absurdly Popular" The parks in general are too crowded and yet there are still vacant and shuttered attractions that are needed to add capacity...
True, but there would be something worth the $120.00 entry fee...I didn't say that there shouldn't be more capacity in general to alleviate the overcrowding, just that the idea that one should be automatically entitled to anything and everything for the price of admission is inherently flawed. You could add tons of capacity to Hollywood Studios and I still very much doubt hopping on Rise of the Resistance would be anywhere near a sure thing.
He did, but EPCOT was not a park. it was a city. It was meant to be a testbed for innovation. A much larger version of what Lake Nona is today. Originally, he didn't even want the Magic Kingdom as part of his Florida Project. His philosophy was always - "no sequals"Because he had no designs for something called EPCOT right?
EPCOT was a transit and pedestrian oriented Garden City. Lake Nona is more sprawl. They’re not similar.He did, but EPCOT was not a park. it was a city. It was meant to be a testbed for innovation. A much larger version of what Lake Nona is today. Originally, he didn't even want the Magic Kingdom as part of his Florida Project. His philosophy was always - "no sequals"
What do you mean by sprawl? I was talking about the idea of real companies implementing innovations into city life to improve how the people and city interact. If you look at Lake Nona, that is basically what it is meant to do:EPCOT was a transit and pedestrian oriented Garden City. Lake Nona is more sprawl. They’re not similar.
EPCOT was part of a specific vision for how cities should work and operate beyond just technology. It had a specific form intended to facilitate those ideas. Lake Nona is not about a specific urban vision that functions a specific way, it’s just a shiny version of the same sort of stuff you find everywhere else in the US.What do you mean by sprawl? I was talking about the idea of real companies implementing innovations into city life to improve how the people and city interact. If you look at Lake Nona, that is basically what it is meant to do:
From the Lake Nona Website:
A COMMUNITY OF AND FOR THE FUTURE
Some places are proud of their history. Lake Nona is proud of its future. Encompassing 17-square-miles and located adjacent to the Orlando International Airport, Lake Nona is a modern mecca for technology, innovation, and community.
Walt Disney, on EPCOT the city:
"EPCOT will take its cue from the new ideas and new technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that will never be completed, but will always be introducing and testing and demonstrating new materials and systems. And EPCOT will always be a showcase to the world for the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise."-
They honestly sound eerily similar
After his death, the Imagineers quickly realized having people live there would remove the E,P and T. As one said "You can't experiment with peoples lives". (There wasn't much thought put into the EPCOT concept before Walt died, other that "a futuristic city". Even the maps and painting in the movie were last minute add ons. The film wasn't supposed to inspire the public - it was a piece to convince the legislators to pass RCID. )He did, but EPCOT was not a park. it was a city. It was meant to be a testbed for innovation. A much larger version of what Lake Nona is today. Originally, he didn't even want the Magic Kingdom as part of his Florida Project. His philosophy was always - "no sequals"
This ignores the over half century history of Garden Cities. EPCOT wasn’t a completely new idea and cities are built on guidelines, not a single specific plan.After his death, the Imagineers quickly realized having people live there would remove the E,P and T. As one said "You can't experiment with peoples lives". (There wasn't much thought put into the EPCOT concept before Walt died, other that "a futuristic city". Even the maps and painting in the movie were last minute add ons. The film wasn't supposed to inspire the public - it was a piece to convince the legislators to pass RCID. )
I get all that EPCOT was. It was a utopian society run by Walt. The part that I am talking about that compares to Lake Nona and a major part of Walt's vision was for companies to test out new technology, a part that carried over to the 1982 Epcot Center but without the residents (although there are plenty of dead residing in Epcot). That is what makes Lake Nona very much like E.P.C.O.T. The controlled part is what Celebration was.EPCOT was part of a specific vision for how cities should work and operate beyond just technology. It had a specific form intended to facilitate those ideas. Lake Nona is not about a specific urban vision that functions a specific way, it’s just a shiny version of the same sort of stuff you find everywhere else in the US.
There are companies and universities in Lake Nona that make it a “technology” place. It has almost no actual impact on the majority of it as a development. Living in a Lake Nona subdivision isn’t that different than living in other subdivisions. It’s mostly sprawl, subdivisions and strip shopping centers like you find all around Florida and the country. Celebration was probably more forward looking because they had the foresight to build a fiber optic network.I get all that EPCOT was. It was a utopian society run by Walt. The part that I am talking about that compares to Lake Nona and a major part of Walt's vision was for companies to test out new technology, a part that carried over to the 1982 Epcot Center but without the residents (although there are plenty of dead residing in Epcot). That is what makes Lake Nona very much like E.P.C.O.T. The controlled part is what Celebration was.
You, too, saw the new concert lineup for Food and Wine?[..] (although there are plenty of dead residing in Epcot) [...]
You, too, saw the new concert lineup for Food and Wine?
To be fair, any musician with a steady gig deserves kudos. I'm glad they're still out there doing it!
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