News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Stupido]

If they wanted to add the Tokyo BatB ride to MK, I think the more logical way to do so would be to have the entrance/queue be from "Belle's village" and replace Gaston's and/or the shop. It would have to somehow (either the ride or the queue) take you over the access road north of that location to a show building north but it can be done.

It really feels like such a no-brainer. It's a universally loved classic movie that would garner a lot of universal goodwill. MK always needs more capacity, and Fantasyland could always use more rides. Plus if you have a whole BatB mini land in MK, you can get rid of the sing-a-long in epcot, and replace the stage show in Hollywood, freeing up space in other parks for newer productions and more appropriate experiences.

 

[jpeden]

There's no reason the façade of the ride has to be the castle. The context for MK could be that you start in the village and wander through the woods while in the queue to get to the castle.

Eh, I'm not sure if I agree with that. The ride itself takes place IN the castle. You're in a teacup from the movie. At some point, you're going to need to go into the castle and that doesn't square with the castle being the entrance to BOG.

I know I'm nit-picking but this is the type of stuff that Disney used to make sure to validate and I just don't think they do anymore.

 

[jpeden]

It really feels like such a no-brainer. It's a universally loved classic movie that would garner a lot of universal goodwill. MK always needs more capacity, and Fantasyland could always use more rides. Plus if you have a whole BatB mini land in MK, you can get rid of the sing-a-long in epcot, and replace the stage show in Hollywood, freeing up space in other parks for newer productions and more appropriate experiences.

For some reason (and I'm stretching back into my memory here) on the EPCOT transformation thread it was mentioned (or I think it was mentioned) that one of the negatives to putting BATB into EPCOT was that WDW would have to pay to break the exclusivity license that TDL had for the ride and that was something that they didn't have to do for Remy's.

Could possibly be why you won't see it come stateside for a number of years.

 

[Andrew25]

All they would have to do is add a "secret back gate" entrance to the castle... not that hard folks lol

 

[sWANNISAX]

I'm sure Food & Beverage doesn't feel that way... BOG practically prints money for the park... probably far more revenue than the Gift Shop Exit of even the most popular ride could generate.

I agree that it makes a fortune despite not being good. It just takes up a great deal of valuable real estate for what is a niche dining opportunity. Thats why I said build the ride out of the story time with belle entrance rather than the restaurant.

 

[doctornick]

Eh, I'm not sure if I agree with that. The ride itself takes place IN the castle. You're in a teacup from the movie. At some point, you're going to need to go into the castle and that doesn't square with the castle being the entrance to BOG.

I know I'm nit-picking but this is the type of stuff that Disney used to make sure to validate and I just don't think they do anymore.

Sure, the ride takes place in the castle. That doesn't mean the queue has to start at the castle gate. e.g. PPF mostly takes place in Neverland, but the queue takes you through the Darling's house.

You just would have to make "getting to the castle" part of the queue/pre-show to have it work.

 

[voodoo321]

If they were to put BatB in MK then I hope they would fix some of the pacing and story problems from the Tokyo ride. Maybe completely change the second room.

 

[Coaster Lover]

Yeah I believe I saw on LinkedIn, someone who is a leader at BOG that they generate 70M/yearly revenue.

Wow, if true (and consistent since opening), than BOG alone would have paid for the New Fantasyland expansion twice over since opening!

 

[Bocabear]

Add a new1st room taking you from the village to the castle and cut the winter courtyard room that seems to go on forever....make it a pass through...

 

[sWANNISAX]

I doubt we'd see them change anything given the story problems in the two mermaid clones that were not addressed. I feel like you could enter through belle's house exit the other side and travel through the forest to the castle gates and all that could be accomplished in an indoor queue quite effectively.

 

[DisneyDodo]

Couldn’t they just use the ETwB mirror effect to transport guests to the castle for the ride?

 

[J4546]

Could batb take place in villains land?

 

[Bocabear]

Couldn’t they just use the ETwB mirror effect to transport guests to the castle for the ride?

YES! they could lose Enchanted Tales With Belle and make that part of the queue to the BATB ride....That is a great idea.

 

[sWANNISAX]

That mirror would be great. It's the only cool part of the attraction.

 

[Brer Panther]

And while there back there build the Asian Beauty and the Beast ride and connect it to Belles house.

Hot take: I don't think the Beauty and the Beast ride in Tokyo is all that great.

My suggestion? They should dig up those plans for the animatronic show they had planned for Disneyland Paris and replace Enchanted Tales With Belle with THAT.

 

[James Alucobond]

I don't think Enchanted Tales needs to go away. Could it make a decent queue for the Tokyo ride? Sure. But it's an actually good meet and greet with an awesome pre-show, some light animatronic elements, and reasonable wait times. I've no idea what its actual throughput is, but it's always felt like the good kind of supplemental capacity at just the right level of desirability that people are always asking them to add.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

If they were to put BatB in MK then I hope they would fix some of the pacing and story problems from the Tokyo ride. Maybe completely change the second room.

[Cut] the winter courtyard room that seems to go on forever....make it a pass through...

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Hot take: I don't think the Beauty and the Beast ride in Tokyo is all that great.

Maybe not, but they were so close. Smaller teacups, more intimate rooms, better pacing, "Something There" being substituted with a more ride-worthy scene...all of those would do wonders

 

[sWANNISAX]

I don't have a problem with smaller attractions I was just trying to come up with a way to add a ride to the area and make it more fleshed out. The BatB area is nicely themed but feels incomplete to me. For me fantasy land is about dark rides and BatB deserves to have its ride especially since it already exists in another park.

 

[Bocabear]

I agree...BATB does need it's own ride...as does Tangled....and Alice...Peter Pan could use it's own Miniland with a brand new updated version of the ride, Lost Boys coaster, Pirate ship and mermaid lagoon area...replacing the circus shop, meet and greet, water play area and Goofy coaster. It would be a much bewtter use of that space and woyuld leave the old PPF up for redevelopment as a Tanglked ride across from the Tangled restrooms....which would actually make sense.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I would rather them spread the rides out in WS... we only have 3 of them total right now with 2 of them already being next door neighbors.

I definitely get the reasoning but if the other WS rides aren't going to be original ideas then I'd prefer Coco over any other IPs. It'd be a natural fit for the WS on top of being an amazing movie.

Moana belongs in Adventureland. Use that Shanghai pirates tech and build a great e ticket behind pirates and adventure land will be on the map.

Rejigger Frontierland as an easy to west progression. The bears in appalichia. Add more line trees and rocks. Leading into New Orleans around Tiana and then the far west with big thunder and ultimately Mexico. I think that progression fits the idea of the frontier very well from a westward expansion view. I would do giant villains section for the rest to connect back to mansion. And while there back there build the Asian Beauty and the Beast ride and connect it to Belles house. To plus up fantasyland. I'd take out the speedway and use that for some of the fantasy springs attractions. Maybe expand Peter Pan and then the old pan into tangled since we apparently can't get rid of small world.

As much as coco goes with Mexico in Epcot the space for a great ride isn't really there and I would rather they build out other countries. Give us a mulan attraction in China and poppins in UK.

If we're doing tropical americas the you can do encanto in Ak. I hate losing dinosaurs and feel like they should kept the Dino theming and build tropical just where hester and Chester's area is. Restuarantoaurus I think is well themed it's just the other side that isn't.

Hollywood you can do pretty much anything. The different studios as the lands always made the most sense to me but that ship has sailed. Something to take over all of the animation courtyard whether it's Zootopia or something all new would be preferable. Using those available marvel characters would be cool.

They can still technically do this. You won't be entering the actual studios like you used to with Pixar Place but each studio can be represented by one of their series.

You already have Lucasfilm (Star Wars), Pixar (Toy Story) & Muppet Studios. They could add lands for Disney Animation, Fox & Marvel Studios; maybe Zootopia, Planet of the Apes & a Dr Strange/Wakanda combo?

I wonder if it's possible for Disney to buy back individual characters from Universal. Black Panther's presence in Universal is just a picture in a restaurant; so, it wouldn't really hurt Universal to let him go unlike if Disney was trying to get Spidey or Hulk back. I think a Marvel land with Dr Strange & Black Panther headlining it could be pretty big.