News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

Tha Realest

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There are still other cost savings associated with cloning aside from just the initial phases. At least for certain types of attractions. Particularly ones that are heavily video screen based (which is a large majority in the modern era). The video itself is already made, so they just need to copy the files into the new projector. No new animation needs to be created by the animation studio. This goes for a large portion of the software running an attraction too if it's mostly identical.
The designers also benefit from having a ton of QC and reliability issues sorted out
 

WaltWiz1901

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I expect this "Villains' Land" will likely just have one big E-Ticket (probably another trackless dark ride) that's just "get menaced by this villain, then by this villain, then by THIS villain" for a minute or so, some sort of D-Ticket or C-Ticket (a flat ride, maybe? I dunno) and then a bunch of shops and dining locations. I will say this - if they're so insistent on doing this, I still think a Pink Elephants on Parade spinning coaster or dark ride could be fun.
Funny you mention that first attraction...this fan proposal was what sprung to mind:


 

lazyboy97o

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The designers also benefit from having a ton of QC and reliability issues sorted out
Not necessarily. The more exact the clone the more issues are left as the project is budgeted and scheduled based on replicating what exists. Transformers the Ride is probably the most notorious example as work was done knowing it would get destroyed.
 

Rhinocerous

Premium Member
Villain team-ups happen periodically in fiction. Lex Luthor and the Joker teamed up to take down Superman and Batman. Part of the fun is usually the tension of who will betray their partner(s) first.

I also think a more adult villains land would add a new dimension to the park experience. Universal likes to present itself as the place families go when they outgrow Disney. A villain land could be a rite of passage that kids ‘graduate’ to being ready for. Imagine the commercial.

A family stands next to Thunder Mountain, gazing at the foreboding path marked by a sign reading “Villain Village.” The young-ish child adamantly shakes his head. “Too scary!”

Dissolve to another trip. Flashes of the same family, enjoying various MK attractions. Eventually they stand in the same spot as before. The child reluctantly shakes his head. “It’s kinda scary.”

One more trip. In a resort hotel room, the child looks in the mirror and tells himself “you’ve got this.” In the Magic Kingdom, the child marches back to the same spot and stares at the sign. Mom and Dad are concerned. “Are you sure?” “It’s a little scary.” The child defiantly replies “I’m ready.” Cut to scenes of the child grinning and heroically ‘besting’ various villains while enjoying what the land has to offer. End at dinner in the new restaurant. “What were you guys so afraid of?” Mom and Dad exchange a smirk.

Logo.
“Book your Disney vacation today!”
 

SpectreJordan

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Having a dozen or so beloved classic films that have already proved their popularity is long lasting (several of which include iconic and potentially wonderful locations) get all shoved into one shared space while something less than a decade old (barely over two years, in Encanto's case) gets an entire landed devoted to it right next to them rubs me the wrong way.

It comes across like bad priorities with a touch of arrogance.
The Encanto plans seem to be just a ride in a South America themed land, both the plan for MK & the plan for AK. Also, the only IP that's gotten a land that's "young" is Zootopia; I think the uniqueness of that setting, as well as the movie's popularity in China is what lead to it getting a land.
Zootopia, the movie, is Bob Iger's Disney (like Coco and Encanto). The ride was originally made for his Magic Kingdom.

Now [if built] his brand of Disney gets to reshape the most popular Disney park for years to come. Just like how Disneyland may have had Star Wars in it for decades, but not the characters from the sequel trilogy made possible by his acquisition.

A land based on animated characters made before he joined the company doesn't.
I don't think he cares about the parks that much. They're just focused on basing rides on recent hits instead of older stuff.

I also think the likes of Frozen, Moana, Zootopia & Coco are going to have legs like older movies do. Hell, all of those are 5+ years old now & still do killer numbers on D+.
Universal are literally in the process of creating a villains land of their own at Epic Universe with Classic Monsters. I think an important key to making a villains land work well is variety. Universal isn't centering their land on a singular monster from what I gather, but a variety of different ones.

And mind you, Universal already did dabble in a villains area with Knockturn Alley. Albeit as a sub section of a larger land. And I think there are plenty of people who would like more of that.

But again regarding variety. Voldemort is just one single villain from a single story. To make matters worse, there's not really a singular iconic "lair" setting that i'd associate him with. The Malfoy Manor is the closest thing that might come to mind, but it's a temporary base that isn't really his own. Not only are there a ton of Disney villains to draw from, most of their lairs are also varied and interesting. Same goes for Classic Monsters.

Given their trends in recent attractions and animated films, I just don't think Disney is interested in the classic "evil and loving it" villains anymore. Tiana's Bayou Adventure won't have a villain. Tokyo's BATB ride relegated Gaston and the mob to shadow projections shoved into a background wall (and it was a movie that already diverged somewhat from a traditional villain). And they heavily reduced the scares and witch appearances (and removed all the skeletons) from Snow White at DL.
I wonder what started this trend. I feel parents are a lot less strict nowadays, we don't get as much pearl clutching (well... for some things) as we used to.
I fully agree.

Oh, and say what you want about the sequels, but the first Ice Age is in my opinion a genuinely good movie.
The original Ice Age is a great movie. Those sequels definitely bring the image down a bit though. However, I still think a ride could be a great addition to DAK.
I'll take what I can get, but Coco seems more appropriate at Epcot. Not Magic or Animal!
I do think Coco would be better at EPCOT, but the MK plan sounded like it could work. Going from the old west into Mexico makes sense.
 
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The original Ice Age is a great movie. Those sequels definitely bring the image down a bit though. However, I still think a ride could be a great addition to DAK.
Something about the idea of Ice Age IP in Animal Kingdom makes me feel nauseous. I know they own it now, but it doesn't seem like it should be there. It's not a Disney movie.

It's like if they put a Sound of Music ride in a new Austria pavilion...oh wait, that would actually be pretty great!
 

Brer Panther

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The original Ice Age is a great movie. Those sequels definitely bring the image down a bit though. However, I still think a ride could be a great addition to DAK.
That scene where they're sliding around in the ice caverns is just begging to be made into a ride.
Something about the idea of Ice Age IP in Animal Kingdom makes me feel nauseous. I know they own it now, but it doesn't seem like it should be there. It's not a Disney movie.

It's like if they put a Sound of Music ride in a new Austria pavilion...oh wait, that would actually be pretty great!
I can understand that. I feel the same way about putting something Simpsons or Family Guy in the parks.
 

Rich Brownn

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How was Alien toned down? It seemed to always be the same all my life.
The Alien above used to pop out a lot further and the side one was hidden by much more smoke. The overhead was toned down either because it threatened to fall out due to stress or because it scared people, depending on who you talk to. Disney often tones down stuff to scary or frightening -- when I rode Dinosaur during the construction workers preview there was bit where a meteor hit and a piece of rock flew right at you. It was just projection on smoke, but it looked very convincing. It didn't even make to employee previews :/
 

SplashJacket

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Disney left this tidbit in their most recent DPB blog post “We have a lot of growth and investment planned for our theme parks in the coming years and look forward to sharing more announcements about Frontierland … so y’all come back now, ya hear?”

They’ll really just keep dragging this on
Would you rather them say nothing?

An indication that the plans are still on motion is a good sign.
 

mattpeto

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Disney left this tidbit in their most recent DPB blog post “We have a lot of growth and investment planned for our theme parks in the coming years and look forward to sharing more announcements about Frontierland … so y’all come back now, ya hear?”

They’ll really just keep dragging this on
New Orleans Food GIF by Disney

Tiana's Palace/Place is my bet.
 

SpectreJordan

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Disney left this tidbit in their most recent DPB blog post “We have a lot of growth and investment planned for our theme parks in the coming years and look forward to sharing more announcements about Frontierland … so y’all come back now, ya hear?”

They’ll really just keep dragging this on
At least it seems like something is happening. They could easily just sweep this all under the rug & never mention it again.
 

Dutch Inn '76

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I want them to take their time with this decision. The worst thing they could do is just slap the first idea they have in there. Whatever they come up with, they need to plan it out, then let it simmer on the back burner for a while to see if the brain trust still likes it a few months later. This is a very big, very expensive project they're undertaking - and with everything their crosstown rival has going, it needs to be a hit.
 
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