Bay Lake Tower...

marsrunner

New Member
We were there in late January this year and I did not notice it from ground level anywhere, and I was looking. Not saying it isn't visible, I just didn't see it.
You can, of course, see it from the PeopleMover, Splash Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain, just like you can see the main Contemporary tower.
I don't think it looks that bad, but I really wish they'd not built anything there and had just left it as it was. Either gutted the inside and made it all DVC or just built a new building in its place but not any bigger. Wishful thinking, I suppose.
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
It's my understanding that the concept and design would plans to eliminate the south building as well (eventually) and build a second tower in mirror on the other side..

That would 'balance' it out nicely.

That's been rumored, but I'm not sure there's any indication that is Disney's intention. They refurbished the south wing with the tower, so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. You'd also have the issue of obstructed views from that side by the original tower and convention center.

In my opinion, one could take any one of the other examples from above and put it in BLT's place and it wouldn't disrupt the overall feel of the area. It wouldn't look out of place is what I'm trying to say.

While I agree the overall theme and feel of BLT is nothing special when it comes to Disney, I do think it fits in nicely at the Contemporary. There's not too many buildings you could put next to the iconic A-frame that would fit in so nicely, IMHO.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
We were there in late January this year and I did not notice it from ground level anywhere, and I was looking. Not saying it isn't visible, I just didn't see it.
Well I was also looking from ground level, and I saw BLT behind the Main Street Bicycle Shop. It was really painful to look at.
 

Fievel

RunDisney Addict
I guess the question that prevails in my mind to those who do not like it, is how would you rebuild it, so that it keeps with the contemporary, but still follows through with what you are considering as "Disney" architecture?

I guess my thought is that although the contemporary was revolutionary for its day, it no longer has a futuristic look or feel to it (except maybe in our mind). To put a tower next to it that was over the top with a "sci-fi" feel would totally distract and go against what the original building was trying to accomplish.

Another question: Do you consider the original tower still revolutionary? Take away the monorail track going through it, and you really don't have anything special in my book. There are a lot of architects out there who used that building as a stepping stone to advance design off of.


Now: I'll answer this question myself. I like the tower. If you wanted to go with a truly sci-fi look to the new tower, you'd have to install a major refurb on the old tower to match the new Tomorrowland. However, that starts to poke at all the Disney purists out there who like it as is. Really, isn't Disney in a lose-lose situation by adding on to this resort? They managed to keep it within the theming of the original Contemporary resort, but did not seem to be original or forward with their design because compared to a lot of buildings out there the original Contemporary is no longer a futuristic building.

However - this DVC property will be a HUGE seller regardless, because of one thing- location. The proximity to the Magic Kingdom makes it a must buy for anyone sitting on the fence with DVC.
 

DisneyPrincess5

Well-Known Member
My only problem with it is how it is going to affect the skyline in the MK.


I'm definitely going to agree with this. I do not like the fact that Disney is building this right next to Contemporary and it will (IMO, negatively) effect the view from MK. It just takes away from the original.

I don't know... I liked it the way it was. They should have set it back more or done something else. I don't like the fact that the Contemporary now will never stand alone again.

Covet your past pictures/post cards that did not feature BLT!
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member

Statements like this are exceedingly silly in this case, in that staying inside the thing will now be one of the few views around Seven Seas Lagoon that isn't ruined by it. I think it's awfully generic, but I'm still planning on buying into it so that I have a nice room that I can bring my family down here to stay in. Their view won't be diminished because they'll be inside the monstrosity looking out.
This is the one thing that has always seemed appealing to me about the Grand Floridian. If I were to stay at the Grand Floridian not only would I have a great view of the Magic Kingdom, Contemporary, and Polynesian but I wouldn't have to see the Grand Floridian. Really even if you don't like the Bay Lake Tower it's still better than the Grand Floridian.
 

manutdfan1

Active Member
This is the one thing that has always seemed appealing to me about the Grand Floridian. If I were to stay at the Grand Floridian not only would I have a great view of the Magic Kingdom, Contemporary, and Polynesian but I wouldn't have to see the Grand Floridian. Really even if you don't like the Bay Lake Tower it's still better than the Grand Floridian.

Are you crazy? I think the GF is the most beautiful Disney hotel in the States(and would be in the world if it wasn't for DL Hotel and Miricosta in Tokyo).
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
Are you crazy? I think the GF is the most beautiful Disney hotel in the States(and would be in the world if it wasn't for DL Hotel and Miricosta in Tokyo).
Completely agree. Grand Floridian is a gorgeous hotel, and IMO it enhances the vista of Seven Seas Lagoon. BLT, not so much.

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JWG

Well-Known Member
I own points at SSR too, so I will be staying a week at the tree houses as well.. :)

Geeze, a week at the 3 BR treehouse villas and also a magic kingdom view at the overpriced (point wise) Bay Lake Tower?

Share the wealth man, share the wealth... :D

I'm just jealous, I'd love to own enough points at BLT to stay a week with a MK view... That's a lot of maintenance fees though...
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
This is the one thing that has always seemed appealing to me about the Grand Floridian. If I were to stay at the Grand Floridian not only would I have a great view of the Magic Kingdom, Contemporary, and Polynesian but I wouldn't have to see the Grand Floridian. Really even if you don't like the Bay Lake Tower it's still better than the Grand Floridian.

Not even close in my opinion, the GF is a beautiful complex and is by far the best looking hotel on property.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Geeze, a week at the 3 BR treehouse villas and also a magic kingdom view at the overpriced (point wise) Bay Lake Tower?

Share the wealth man, share the wealth... :D

I'm just jealous, I'd love to own enough points at BLT to stay a week with a MK view... That's a lot of maintenance fees though...

Well, it did require me to borrow points from next year (a year I have no plans on visit WDW anyway, so no biggie).... I purchased the amount of points that fit my budget... I so wanted to go crazy with the BLT points, just because, with the MK view, you get the fireworks AND the music pumped into your room through the TV... which should be remarkable...
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
Are you crazy? I think the GF is the most beautiful Disney hotel in the States(and would be in the world if it wasn't for DL Hotel and Miricosta in Tokyo).

I agree it is a very nice looking hotel but there are other factors that I consider.

•1st is theme - The original overall theme of the seven seas lagoon called for that site to feature the Asian hotel another very nice looking hotel and if built would have looked much nicer than the Grand Floridian. The Grand Floridian is a departure from this original concept and theme.

•2nd is originality - The Grand Floridian is virtually a carbon copy of the Hotel Del Coronado and to dilute the originality even further Disney again copied this hotel with the Disneyland Hong Kong Hotel. So now there are three of them.

The Bay Lake tower on the other hand while it does not significantly add to the theme of the seven seas lagoon, it does continue to add to the "contemporary america" theme of the Contemporary as has been stated in earlier posts the Bay Lake Tower does an excellent job of capturing the style of modern american hotel architecture.

As much as it has been criticized for being "just another condo hotel" it is still an original unique piece of architecture , and that's a quality the Grand Floridian can not claim.
 

jmvd20

Well-Known Member
Personally I think the BLT is a cookie cutter structure with a few tweaks thrown into it. Give me the choice to manage the construction of the BLT or the GF and I'll take the Floridian project in a second. There isn't much more to the tower than a typical high rise from the 70's and 80's except for the radius on the front and back of the structure. To me there is nothing original about the BLT, while it is true that the Floridian may be a typical structure form a Victorian setting the details on it are much more impressive.
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
Just a couple thoughts after reading some of the posts.

In my opinion, futuristic does not equal contemporary. As I said in an earlier post, a truly modern building, a "contemporary" one, if you will, is far more about sustainability, construction techniques, and materials, than it is about any particular form or aesthetic value or architectural style.

I don't think one would have needed to do anything to the original A-frame either in terms of making it more "contemporary." A successful design, imo anyway, would have enhanced the "contemporary" nature of the original A-frame, while also creating a new identity for the new building.

I guess I'll just detail a couple reasons I feel it comes up short. First, and I think most importantly, is the lack of LEED certification (google it if you don't know it's too hard to explain in a short post). There is no excuse, in my opinion, that with a company as innovative as Disney, and a theme of "contemporary" that that building should not be LEED gold. My guess would be the massive amount of concrete used would make it difficult even if they wanted to. Second, the choice and placement of glazing does not echo the glazing on the original A-frame. On the original, the glazing is set back in the balconies, creating a nice shadow effect, and having no reflection. A more successful design, in my opinion of course, would have been to either set the windows back just a little, to create the same shadow effect on it's sister building, or used glazing that did not have such a high reflectivity. This difference is quite noticeable and detracts from the overall look of the resort. One last point I'd like to mention is that due to the huge wall of glazing facing west, I'm curious as to the solar heating of the building. Possibly another reason LEED certification would be hard to come by.

I think I know what the architects were trying to do, namely turning the A-frame on edge, and bending the A into a curvilinear C. And I do find it a novel idea and a neat design element. My biggest issue with the building is not the aesthetic quality (though I do find it extremely generic and analogous to literally tons of other hotel towers) but the fact it does not truly embrace it's "contemporary" theme by not being on the cutting edge of architectural style or form, construction techniques or materials, or sustainability practices.

In short, Disney could have built a hotel that exemplified "contemporary" and modern, and showed the world what a modern, sustainable hotel could be, but instead built a tower in 2008/9 as though it were still 1999.
 

MonorailCentral

Member
Original Poster
Generic...

it really is generic...if you've never driven down A1A in Palm Beach, Broward or around North Miami Beach then you won't have any idea of what I'm talking about...but if you live down in South Florida or frequent there...it's so generic it hurts. There's nothing "contemporary" about it.

The Contemporary is and has always been a talking point, icon, etc used in WDW literature, graphics etc (just look at the OLD logos). That thing next to it...is disgusting. There's nothing appealing about it. It totally makes the whole area now look tacky and now totally like a condo complex. The fact that it's roughly the same height as the Tower is also offensive, the walkway looks like it was just tacked on because they had to tack it on...the whole thing looks like it was just slapped together to make money quickly and w/o consideration to the theming, history, or legacy surrounding it. (don't even get me started on what they did to the Grand Canyon Concourse...if you don't like fast food or character dining...oh, sorry...)

Remember when the Contemporary was cool? Remember the Monorail Club Car Lounge and it's "death star booths," and monorail themed drinks? Remember when the Outer Rim was actually at the OUTER RIM of the hotel and had a band playing live (characters now haunt that area)? Remember the Pueblo Room (best prime rib on property)? Remember the Top of the World (apple brown betty for Sunday brunch...live big name entertainment at night)? That's when the Contemporary was cool...I'm old school WDW and proud of it...I'm happy to say that I've been there since the beginning. If you missed the 70's/early 80's I really think you missed The D at it's best.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
it really is generic...if you've never driven down A1A in Palm Beach, Broward or around North Miami Beach then you won't have any idea of what I'm talking about...but if you live down in South Florida or frequent there...it's so generic it hurts. There's nothing "contemporary" about it.

The Contemporary is and has always been a talking point, icon, etc used in WDW literature, graphics etc (just look at the OLD logos). That thing next to it...is disgusting. There's nothing appealing about it. It totally makes the whole area now look tacky and now totally like a condo complex. The fact that it's roughly the same height as the Tower is also offensive, the walkway looks like it was just tacked on because they had to tack it on...the whole thing looks like it was just slapped together to make money quickly and w/o consideration to the theming, history, or legacy surrounding it. (don't even get me started on what they did to the Grand Canyon Concourse...if you don't like fast food or character dining...oh, sorry...)

Remember when the Contemporary was cool? Remember the Monorail Club Car Lounge and it's "death star booths," and monorail themed drinks? Remember when the Outer Rim was actually at the OUTER RIM of the hotel and had a band playing live (characters now haunt that area)? Remember the Pueblo Room (best prime rib on property)? Remember the Top of the World (apple brown betty for Sunday brunch...live big name entertainment at night)? That's when the Contemporary was cool...I'm old school WDW and proud of it...I'm happy to say that I've been there since the beginning. If you missed the 70's/early 80's I really think you missed The D at it's best.

How many of your non-Floridian guests have EVER driven down A1A? I think they designed the BLT for the average guest...NOT the guest from the Floridian eastern seaboard.
 

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