News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland

truecoat

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Where's Rey and Finn?

Who Is This GIF by Trombone Shorty
 

Phroobar

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The bottom is the reaction I typically see when I say I don't know or care about the Clone Wars Characters since the live action versions have been bland and undeveloped. Or that Last Jedi had the most interesting version of Luke on screen to date.
Yup, the live action versions of the clone wars/rebels characters have been pretty terrible. No emotion or even animation. One searches for a person they haven't seen in years. When they meet, there is no joy or even a hug. It is like "Hey how u doing?"

I also get that same bottom reaction when I say Earls of Sandwich isn't that good.
 

Professortango1

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Where you see interesting, I see offputting.
I just thought the storyline of a great spiritual warrior losing their faith due to the cycle of violence and rediscovering its beauty through non-violence was far more interesting than the storyline of a spunky and whiny farm boy becoming cold and distant cut off, especially when Hamil didn't have the best acting chops at that age.
 

britain

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It seems there's still some question as to whether Avatar lands in Hollywood Backlot or in the true Disneyland Forward expansion plots.

I'd also say Monstropolis would be a poor fit for DCA and be guilty of the sunk cost fallacy: letting a mediocre dark ride dictate much larger future investment.

Agreed. From Bob’s point of view, any investment in new attractions at DL is part of DisneylandForward, regardless of location.

In that respect, there’s still hope for Tomorrowland.
 

mickEblu

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It seems there's still some question as to whether Avatar lands in Hollywood Backlot or in the true Disneyland Forward expansion plots.

All rumors seem to be pointing to the backlot. Have you read something that would indicate otherwise?


I'd also say Monstropolis would be a poor fit for DCA and be guilty of the sunk cost fallacy: letting a mediocre dark ride dictate much larger future investment.

I don’t think it would be a poor fit for DCA. It would make for a seamless transition from Hollywood Blvd. I’m not sure there is an IP that doesn’t fit at DCA considering the different lands and IP represented at the park. But I can understand your second point. Although I don’t think it’s quite as mediocre as most people seem to think it is. You’d be lucky to get a D ticket dark ride the quality of Monsters Inc. from modern Disney.
 

mickEblu

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Agreed. From Bob’s point of view, any investment in new attractions at DL is part of DisneylandForward, regardless of location.

In that respect, there’s still hope for Tomorrowland.

I’m not sure I’m following. I feel like you may have intended to reply to one of TP’s posts? I agree the Bobs probably look at it that way but would the city? Lastly, wouldn’t them viewing TL as part of DL Forward be a “bad” thing for those eager for a TL refresh as Bob said yesterday that Avatar is first.
 

Ismael Flores

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I think that if they intend to finally remodel tomorrowland it will most like not be until they go ahead and do the refurb for Autopia ride. They would probably like to close a good section of the land and work from there.

Didn't Disneyland forward proposal also state that the investment minimum has to be used for entertainment that would increase attendance and capacity? So I wonder if doing a layover on rides would even justify increase capacity unless they also add another attraction. I just really hope it is not Tron. The ride looks like fun but it really seems short
 

MistaDee

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All rumors seem to be pointing to the backlot. Have you read something that would indicate otherwise?




I don’t think it would be a poor fit for DCA. It would make for a seamless transition from Hollywood Blvd. I’m not sure there is an IP that doesn’t fit at DCA considering the different lands and IP represented at the park. But I can understand your second point. Although I don’t think it’s quite as mediocre as most people seem to think it is. You’d be lucky to get a D ticket dark ride the quality of Monsters Inc. from modern Disney.

That's a good point, though I guess I'd call that Monsters Inc ride a C-ticket, but I totally agree that it's exactly the sort of smaller dark ride that the parks don't get enough of these days to really flesh out the experience between the E-tickets.

And certainly, insiders on the board have pointed to the backlot, but they've been wrong before. I think Bob's latest comments about Avatar being the first part of DisneylandForward, as well as the thematic issues with being a part of DCA proper and the matched up concept art with the Pandora land are all possible indicators that it may not be in Hollywood Backlot.

Agreed. From Bob’s point of view, any investment in new attractions at DL is part of DisneylandForward, regardless of location.

In that respect, there’s still hope for Tomorrowland.

Where are you getting Bob's point of view? If it's done in Hollywood Backlot that is just not a part of the re-zoned land. You could argue moving the bus pick-up makes it indirectly related to the DisneylandForward zoning changes but that's not how I read it.
 

britain

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Well, I suppose it’s possible that Avatar will be put in one of the new locations, but that kicks it down the road quite a bit, because there’s so much that has to happen in order to free up those spaces. I mean, I guess you can act like Avatar is the “grand finale” of the new Disney decade (like Westcot was going to be) but there’s gotta be stuff you build in the meantime (today’s equivalent of the original little mermaid ride, the young Indiana Jones stunt show, Dick Tracy’s crime stoppers, etc.).

I still think Avatar will be something they soon build on land that is already theme park, while they also start building the parking garage to free up other space. The city may cry “bait and switch” but how is it hurting them if it’s built sooner on “regular” theme park land?
 
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mickEblu

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That's a good point, though I guess I'd call that Monsters Inc ride a C-ticket, but I totally agree that it's exactly the sort of smaller dark ride that the parks don't get enough of these days to really flesh out the experience between the E-tickets.

And certainly, insiders on the board have pointed to the backlot, but they've been wrong before. I think Bob's latest comments about Avatar being the first part of DisneylandForward, as well as the thematic issues with being a part of DCA proper and the matched up concept art with the Pandora land are all possible indicators that it may not be in Hollywood Backlot.



Where are you getting Bob's point of view? If it's done in Hollywood Backlot that is just not a part of the re-zoned land. You could argue moving the bus pick-up makes it indirectly related to the DisneylandForward zoning changes but that's not how I read it.

The elusive modern day C ticket is probably the most confusing for me. In my mind there are E tickets, D tickets and then flat rides which I guess most are A tickets? Or are A tickets reserved for transportation rides? Actually shooter rides to me kind of fit that C ticket spot perfectly. If Monsters is a C ticket, is TSMM a B ticket?

Oh ya, insiders are wrong often (although sometimes I think that's because the plans actually changed) but the way you worded your post had me wondering if you actually read heard any rumors that indicated it was going in DL Forward. I think Bob's comment indicate the opposite. Feels like the more likely thing would be for them to start work on theme park proper/ DCA and the Eastern gateway.
 

MistaDee

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Well, I suppose it’s possible that Avatar will be put in one of the new locations, but that kicks it down the road quite a bit, because there’s so much that has to happen in order to free up those spaces. I mean, I guess you can act like Avatar is the “grand finale” of the new Disney decade (like Westcot was going to be) but there’s gotta be stuff you build in the meantime (today’s equivalent of the original little mermaid ride, the young Indiana Jones stunt show, Dick Tracy’s crime stoppers, etc.).

I still think Avatar will be something they soon build on land that is already theme park, while they also start building the parking garage to free up other space. The city may cry “bait and switch” but how is it hurting them if it’s built sooner on “regular” theme park land?

Yeah I'm certainly a little confused as to how they're phasing their investments, especially with regards to the languishing Avenger's E-ticket.... it's now been 5 years(?) since it was announced and they don't seem to be close to breaking ground.

It was my understanding that:

- they'd be able to break ground on an avatar sized plot of the Simba(? south of paradise pier hotel) and be able to absorb the decreased parking within Mickey and Friends.

If that is true, then in some ways a parking lot is easier to build and stage construction on compared to working within a park boundaries, demolishing existing structures and reconfiguring the bus depots. The only added infrastructure question would be building the connection to DCA and potentially an entrance from Paradise Pier Hotel.

I may very well be wrong about that though. Also the city can't really cry "bait and switch" at all at this point. The plan is signed sealed and delivered so they'd have to sue to have any recourse. Disney can build in any order they want.

The elusive modern day C ticket is probably the most confusing for me. In my mind there are E tickets, D tickets and then flat rides which I guess most are A tickets? Or are A tickets reserved for transportation rides? Actually shooter rides to me kind of fit that C ticket spot perfectly. If Monsters is a C ticket, is TSMM a B ticket?

Oh ya, insiders are wrong often (although sometimes I think that's because the plans actually changed) but the way you worded your post had me wondering if you actually read heard any rumors that indicated it was going in DL Forward. I think Bob's comment indicate the opposite. Feels like the more likely thing would be for them to start work on theme park proper/ DCA and the Eastern gateway.

Yeah very well might be the case they just break ground on the DCA site for Avatar - who knows!


To be honest, only E-tickets seem that well defined, in DCA I guess I'd say categorize some as follows:

E-ticket: Radiator Springs, Soarin', Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster,
D-ticket: Grizzly River Rapids, Toy Story Midway Mania,
C-ticket: Goofy's Sky School, Spider-Man, Monsters Inc, Little Mermaid (this was originally billed as a D ticket but has suffered)
B-ticket: Luigi's, Mater's, Inside Out spinner, Silly Swings, Zephyr
A-ticket: Red Car Trolley, Redwood Challenge Trail, Jellyfish jumpers


Lots of edge cases here: Mermaid could be a D, Web Slingers too maybe - but that's generally how I see it
 

mickEblu

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Yeah very well might be the case they just break ground on the DCA site for Avatar - who knows!


To be honest, only E-tickets seem that well defined, in DCA I guess I'd say categorize some as follows:

E-ticket: Radiator Springs, Soarin', Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster,
D-ticket: Grizzly River Rapids, Toy Story Midway Mania,
C-ticket: Goofy's Sky School, Spider-Man, Monsters Inc, Little Mermaid (this was originally billed as a D ticket but has suffered)
B-ticket: Luigi's, Mater's, Inside Out spinner, Silly Swings, Zephyr
A-ticket: Red Car Trolley, Redwood Challenge Trail, Jellyfish jumpers


Lots of edge cases here: Mermaid could be a D, Web Slingers too maybe - but that's generally how I see it

Ok, I think C and D Tickets are probably the hardest to classify and generally where you'll find the most disagreement. I think GRR is most definitely an E ticket. I think if it had even just one impressive AA nobody would call it a D ticket. So if it's one Harold away from being an E than that means its already an E. Here's how I would classify them. I know most people probably consider Spiderman and TSMM D tickets.

E-ticket: Radiator Springs, Soarin', Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster, Grizzly River Run
D-ticket: Monsters Inc, Little Mermaid
C-ticket: Goofy's Sky School, Spider-Man, Toy Story Midway Mania,
B-ticket: Luigi's, Mater's, Inside Out spinner, Silly Swings, Zephyr, Jumpin Jellyfish
A-ticket: Red Car Trolley, Redwood Challenge Trail*

*Feels like it could/should be a B ticket. This is why I think in modern times we just need to lump A's and B's together. How can these dressed up carny rides rank higher than Redwood Challenge Trail. I know its not a ride but quality/ theming is much superior.
 

MistaDee

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Ok, I think C and D Tickets are probably the hardest to classify and generally where you'll find the most disagreement. I think GRR is most definitely an E ticket. I think if it had even just one impressive AA nobody would call it a D ticket. So if it's one Harold away from being an E than that means its already an E. Here's how I would classify them. I know most people probably consider Spiderman and TSMM D tickets.

E-ticket: Radiator Springs, Soarin', Mission Breakout, Incredicoaster, Grizzly River Run
D-ticket: Monsters Inc, Little Mermaid
C-ticket: Goofy's Sky School, Spider-Man, Toy Story Midway Mania,
B-ticket: Luigi's, Mater's, Inside Out spinner, Silly Swings, Zephyr, Jumpin Jellyfish
A-ticket: Red Car Trolley, Redwood Challenge Trail*

*Feels like it could/should be a B ticket. This is why I think in modern times we just need to lump A's and B's together. How can these dressed up carny rides rank higher than Redwood Challenge Trail. I know its not a ride but quality/ theming is much superior.

Yeah I totally agree with GRR - especially if we're gonna call Incredicoaster an E-ticket then it's basically the same but with water instead of roller coaster. I guess it's sort of a reflection on the overall quality of the offerings that I'd say GRR is an E for DCA, but Popeye's Bilge Rat Barges at IOA would probably be a D, even though I think it's probably the superior rafting ride.

C and D are definitely the hardest to categorize and I think I'm struggling to distinguish between my own preferences and the more objective scale/quality of the offerings. Little Mermaid, Spider-man, Midway Mania could all go either way for me - sky school and Monsters Inc feel more like surefire C-tickets.

Redwood Challenge trail could easily be a B ticket too - I guess I just associate "walk-through" with lower value but it's certainly a far superior experience to something like Silly Wings or Inside Out.
 

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