News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort

[britain]

OG brings up a good point about why all this commotion is more worrying than the initial rumor. Fans are unknowingly giving Disney an out to go cheap.

I hear you, and if there already were some internal momentum to cancel DCA Avatar then perhaps people that feel that way would have some more ammunition to point to.

BUT

There was more, far more, online backlash to replacing MK's Rivers of America with Cars. And they proceeded, full steam ahead, bulldozing Tom Sawyer Island into oblivion.

You think a flurry of "Actually I like Zootopia more than I like Avatar" posts is going to stop this project?

AND

All this talk about "Avatar Interest is Waning, declining B.O. etc." If we're talking about "Planet of the Apes interest is declining" or "Twilight interest is declining" then sure maybe reconsider pouring a half billion into rides based on that caliber of IP.

But if your IP makes billions, and the decline we're talking about is moving from 2.5 billion down to 1.5 billion, I'd say interest here is still high. AND because the concept has proven to be a hit at your other theme park, you build it again! You MAKE interest INCREASE through sheer will, concrete, and plastic greenery!

 

[britain]

I will add a caveat:

IF there is some negotiation like "Save Avatar for 3rd theme park, put Zootopia in DCA" then maybe there could be some truth to these rumors. My point is Avatar is coming to Disneyland Resort one way or another.

 

[coffeefan]

I hear you, and if there already were some internal momentum to cancel DCA Avatar then perhaps people that feel that way would have some more ammunition to point to.

BUT

There was more, far more, online backlash to replacing MK's Rivers of America with Cars. And they proceeded, full steam ahead, bulldozing Tom Sawyer Island into oblivion.

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You think a flurry of "Actually I like Zootopia more than I like Avatar" posts is going to stop this project?

AND

All this talk about "Avatar Interest is Waning, declining B.O. etc." If we're talking about "Planet of the Apes interest is declining" or "Twilight interest is declining" then sure maybe reconsider pouring a half billion into rides based on that caliber of IP.

But if your IP makes billions, and the decline we're talking about is moving from 2.5 billion down to 1.5 billion, I'd say interest here is still high. AND because the concept has proven to be a hit at your other theme park, you build it again! You MAKE interest INCREASE through sheer will, concrete, and plastic greenery!

Another good point -

Why would it be funded elsewhere if the IP is "too much in decline" for DCA? And why would it be a headliner in China and Japan, where it also declined?
Maybe the issue was with the movie itself and not the IP, but that’s a different topic. It just feels very knee-jerk.

 

[coffeefan]

It’s an interesting take. It started out as postulation based on Disney delaying Monsters Inc closure and the thousands of comments I was reading over social media of people saying they don’t want Avatar, we want Zootopia (or Monsters) instead. Disney was already considering it and that was confirmed by Marni. I suppose it’s possible that all this chatter could actually get Disney to pull the trigger and play into their decision as it brought more attention to the fact that people are not all that excited for Avatar and want them some Zootopia.

I’m going to start wearing Avatar shirts every time I visit Disneyland. If I see Josh, Jill, or any of the suits, I’ll make sure they see me too. Everyone should do this!

 

[mickEblu]

I hear you, and if there already were some internal momentum to cancel DCA Avatar then perhaps people that feel that way would have some more ammunition to point to.

BUT

There was more, far more, online backlash to replacing MK's Rivers of America with Cars. And they proceeded, full steam ahead, bulldozing Tom Sawyer Island into oblivion.

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You think a flurry of "Actually I like Zootopia more than I like Avatar" posts is going to stop this project?

AND

All this talk about "Avatar Interest is Waning, declining B.O. etc." If we're talking about "Planet of the Apes interest is declining" or "Twilight interest is declining" then sure maybe reconsider pouring a half billion into rides based on that caliber of IP.

But if your IP makes billions, and the decline we're talking about is moving from 2.5 billion down to 1.5 billion, I'd say interest here is still high. AND because the concept has proven to be a hit at your other theme park, you build it again! You MAKE interest INCREASE through sheer will, concrete, and plastic greenery!

I’m thinking you meant to quote me? I’ve explained my thoughts many times and they have more reasons to do it than just what you refer to as a “flurry of posts” but yes I believe that would certainly contribute.

Avatar makes billions but Zootopia 2 made more, is owned outright by Disney, is more relevant, would be cheaper to build and they’d make a lot more on merch/ food. There are plenty of for them to do it. Not saying it will happen but it’s possible. And Marni confirmed they were thinking about it. Did he suddenly lose credibility or something?

 

[mickEblu]

I will add a caveat:

IF there is some negotiation like "Save Avatar for 3rd theme park, put Zootopia in DCA" then maybe there could be some truth to these rumors. My point is Avatar is coming to Disneyland Resort one way or another.

Yeah I dunno. I don’t share your confidence. But then again the last thing they told us was that it’s still on track so let’s just roll with that.

 

[DavidDL]

Zootopia doesn't make a lick of sense in DCA.

Then again, neither does Avatar. Or much of anything else they've added in the past decade or so. So I'd say it's inclusion somewhere, at some point, is pretty likely!

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

I will add a caveat:

IF there is some negotiation like "Save Avatar for 3rd theme park, put Zootopia in DCA" then maybe there could be some truth to these rumors. My point is Avatar is coming to Disneyland Resort one way or another.

By the time DLR does a third gate, Avatar will probably be irrelevant to do as a land

 

[coffeefan]

I will add a caveat:

IF there is some negotiation like "Save Avatar for 3rd theme park, put Zootopia in DCA" then maybe there could be some truth to these rumors. My point is Avatar is coming to Disneyland Resort one way or another.

The other part we're in the dark about is the Avatar themepark contract. There could be a clause to keep expanding the IP lands along with the movies. IIRC the HP contract was speculated to have something like that.

 

[britain]

I’m thinking you meant to quote me? I’ve explained my thoughts many times and they have more reasons to do it than just what you refer to as a “flurry of posts” but yes I believe that would certainly contribute.

Avatar makes billions but Zootopia 2 made more, is owned outright by Disney, is more relevant, would be cheaper to build and they’d make a lot more on merch/ food. There are plenty of for them to do it. Not saying it will happen but it’s possible. And Marni confirmed they were thinking about it. Did he suddenly lose credibility or something?

Did @marni1971 say they were thinking about Zootopia ANEW? Or that once upon a time Zootopia was considered for DCA?

 

[mickEblu]

Did @marni1971 say they were thinking about Zootopia ANEW? Or that once upon a time Zootopia was considered for DCA?

Maybe I’m getting carried away. As I’ve also stated, the last thing they told us is that is Avatar is not being delayed so I guess we should take them for their word. I also started out where you are - wouldn’t be surprised if it happens- but started believing it was more of a possibility the more people like yourself put energy into it.

If I said it’s not been mooted as being inside the realms of possibility I’d be lying. There’s several reasons why it may happen. But I don’t know if it will.

“why it may happen” would suggest the former.

 

[Mr. Rhino]

I would not worry too much about Zootopia fanboy comments. If you are raving for a Zootopia park, then you quite like cartoons and the park already has a lot of other stuff of that aesthetic. Cars Land, Pixar Pier, the Big Hero Six place, etc. So there is probably other stuff already at the park that might interest those Zootopia people. But ultimately that's only going to capture a certain genre or niche, not everybody.

The entire point of recent acquisitions like Star Wars or Marvel is to diversify Disney, trying to appeal to people who wouldn't be interested in Mickey Mouse or recreations or Frontierland, etc. Trying to grab people who might want to go check out Hogwarts instead. I would imagine that Avatar might get more people who aren't already going to Disney parks to go than Zootopia.

 

[britain]

“why it may happen” would suggest the former.

Thank you, I am a little twisted around by his double negatives though.

“If I said it’s not been mooted as being inside the realms of possibility I’d be lying.“

So it HAS been mooted as being inside the realms of possibility?

So if MOOTED, that means it’s been ruled out?

And are we super clear on if IT is Zootopia or Avatar?!

 

[mickEblu]

Thank you, I am a little twisted around by his double negatives though.

“If I said it’s not been mooted as being inside the realms of possibility I’d be lying.“

So it HAS been mooted as being inside the realms of possibility?

So if MOOTED, that means it’s been ruled out?

And are we super clear on if IT is Zootopia or Avatar?!

Mooted could mean days/ weeks/ a couple months ago (not before Avatar was green lit) since last he heard which would make sense since he also said “why it may happen.”

Of course he’s talking about Zootopia. He was responding to me saying that it’s a possibility that Avatar gets replaced by Zootopia. Lol it seems nobody wants to believe this is possible. I’m sorry, don’t shoot the messenger. Hahah. Plus possible doesn’t mean probable. Who knows, maybe there’s like a 10% chance plans change. Or less.

 

[britain]

Mooted could mean days/ weeks/ a couple months ago (not before Avatar was green lit) since last heard which would make sense since he also said “why it may happen.”

Of course he’s talking about Zootopia. He was responding to me saying that it’s a possibility that Avatar gets replaced by Zootopia. Lol it seems nobody wants to believe this is possible. I’m sorry, don’t shoot the messenger. Hahah. Plus possible doesn’t mean probable. Who knows, maybe there’s like a 10% chance plans change. Or less.

lol, no worries, messenger.

But I’m not following your explanation. Doesn’t “mooted” mean “made moot” or declared the idea to be irrelevant?

 

[mickEblu]

lol, no worries, messenger.

But I’m not following your explanation. Doesn’t “mooted” mean “made moot” or declared the idea to be irrelevant?

Hahah I dunno let’s ask him. But if it was “made moot” than why would he say “it might happen?”

 

[britain]

Hahah I dunno let’s ask him.

lol, even if it does mean “made moot” it could fit anyone’s preferred narrative:

1) Zootopia been made moot, so it’s off the table.

2) Zootopia has been made moot, which means someone had to overrule someone ELSE who is pushing for it.

 

[mickEblu]

lol, even if it does mean “made moot” it could fit anyone’s preferred narrative:

1) Zootopia been made moot, so it’s off the table.

2) Zootopia has been made moot, which means someone had to overrule someone ELSE who is pushing for it.

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If it was “made moot” than why would he say “it might happen?” Plus he didn’t even say made moot so not sure why you re going down that path.


"It's been mooted" means a proposal, idea, or plan has been suggested, broached, or introduced for discussion, typically in a formal or public context. It implies the topic is currently under consideration or has been raised for

As in Zootopia replacing Avatar has been mooted.

 

[britain]

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If it was “made moot” than why would he say “it might happen?” Plus he didn’t even say made moot so not sure why you re going down that path.


"It's been mooted" means a proposal, idea, or plan has been suggested, broached, or introduced for discussion, typically in a formal or public context. It implies the topic is currently under consideration or has been raised for

As in Zootopia replacing Avatar has been mooted.

Heh, learning new things everyday!

So if you proposed something to me, you could say you mooted something. But if I shut your proposal down, I couldn’t say I mooted your proposal?

It’s like how oversight actually means lack of oversight!

 

[mickEblu]

Heh, learning new things everyday!

So if you proposed something to me, you could say you mooted something. But if I shut your proposal down, I couldn’t say I mooted your proposal?

It’s like how oversight actually means lack of oversight!

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Haha to be honest I've never used it in a conversation myself but I figured thats what he meant and google confirmed.