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[Nemo14]

First off...why call the game differently when the game is on the line? Isn't that when you should be calling the game right?

If there is holding...it should be called whether it be the first play of the game...or a game deciding decision.

Remember, the Ravens lost that game on their own. The Patriots did not beat them. No way, no how. The Ravens lost it THEMSELVES...not the officials. The only call that was questionable in that last drive was the TD catch. I truly don't believe he had control over that ball when his feet were in.

I hate that..."You don't call that penalty when the game is that close." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

How about this...on their last 3 possessions...they went three and out. Or...when they had the Patriots on 4th and 1...and they stopped them...but the coach called a time out. That's bad football! The Patriots deserved to lose that game. But please, don't blame the officials for making a penalty call when it was truly there just because of the situation of the game.

Like I said, the only questionable officiating call was the TD catch. If someone wanted to gripe about that...I would probably be right there with them. The only thing the refs had going for them in that case was the call on the field was a touchdown...so they needed conclusive evidence to overturn it.

Throwing the flag into the stands?!?!?!? That's ridiculously childish and he should be fined or even suspended for such crappy sportsmanship.

That was a good game- too bad some players are such poor sports!

 

[WDWFREAK53]

That was a good game- too bad some players are such poor sports!

It was a fantastic game...no matter what the outcome! I never felt that either team had it in the bag at all at any point. When you get your team within 2 yards of a victory...that is amazing. The Patriots should be 11-1 today. Bad coaching and bad thinking.

BTW...if you want to complain about bad calls...on the hail mary pass at the end...watch Asante Samuel get manhandled down there. No flag. Granted, the game was over because the clock ran out...but he got seriously manhandled and there was no Offensive Pass Interference call.

 

[Nemo14]

It was a fantastic game...no matter what the outcome! I never felt that either team had it in the bag at all at any point. When you get your team within 2 yards of a victory...that is amazing. The Patriots should be 11-1 today. Bad coaching and bad thinking.

BTW...if you want to complain about bad calls...on the hail mary pass at the end...watch Asante Samuel get manhandled down there. No flag. Granted, the game was over because the clock ran out...but he got seriously manhandled and there was no Offensive Pass Interference call.

Yes, we noticed that! There's no need for that kind of crap in a pro game. It shows a definite lack of class!

 

[SpongeScott]

When the game is on the line in ANY sport, the officials will let the players dictate the outcome of the game, and not call a penalty unless it's obviously blatant. Any sport.

As for the very last play of the game, if you want them to call everything, then both teams should've been flagged on the play. There was offensive and defensive pass interference on that play, but nothing was called.

That's okay... this gives me even more reason and incentive to root against the Pats.

 

[mousefan1972]

When the game is on the line in ANY sport, the officials will let the players dictate the outcome of the game, and not call a penalty unless it's obviously blatant. Any sport.

As for the very last play of the game, if you want them to call everything, then both teams should've been flagged on the play. There was offensive and defensive pass interference on that play, but nothing was called.

That's okay... this gives me even more reason and incentive to root against the Pats.

You and the rest of the country...


It was so painful to listen to those boneheaded announcers last night:

"this could be the night!"

"the Ravens could pull off the upset of the year!"

"could this be the game the Pats lose?!"

And of course the quip about how they were in Pittsburg last week during the Sunday night game, and how the bar erupted in cheers everytime the Eagles scored.... :hurl:

That's ok! Belichick will be even more ornery and diabolical now, and the Pats will crush their last 4 opponents!

 

[WDWFREAK53]

When the game is on the line in ANY sport, the officials will let the players dictate the outcome of the game, and not call a penalty unless it's obviously blatant. Any sport.

As for the very last play of the game, if you want them to call everything, then both teams should've been flagged on the play. There was offensive and defensive pass interference on that play, but nothing was called.

That's okay... this gives me even more reason and incentive to root against the Pats.

Umm...Defensive pass interference? He caught the ball.

1. Pass interference on Randy Moss. Moss ended up on the ground! BLATANT!
2. Holding on Watson. It was holding...watch the replay...I'm actually surprised it wasn't pass interference.

Scott, much like you...I am biased. You want the Pats to lose...and I want them to win. I am saying that the Patriots did not deserve to win and I'm usually the first to complain about officiating...but usually, when I do it...it was a blatantly WRONG call. I have already stated that I think they got the Gaffney Touchdown catch wrong.

The rule states that you CLEARLY must have possession. I don't think he CLEARLY had possession. Yes, it's true that his hands never left the ball. He just never secured it in. This is why I think it was a bad call.

With it 4th and 1...and the officials call an offsides. How is it that the officials want the Pats to win? That was such a close offsides call. I won't complain about that...it was offsides.

 

[SpongeScott]

Umm...Defensive pass interference? He caught the ball.

1. Pass interference on Randy Moss. Moss ended up on the ground! BLATANT!
2. Holding on Watson. It was holding...watch the replay...I'm actually surprised it wasn't pass interference.

Scott, much like you...I am biased. You want the Pats to lose...and I want them to win. I am saying that the Patriots did not deserve to win and I'm usually the first to complain about officiating...but usually, when I do it...it was a blatantly WRONG call. I have already stated that I think they got the Gaffney Touchdown catch wrong.

The rule states that you CLEARLY must have possession. I don't think he CLEARLY had possession. Yes, it's true that his hands never left the ball. He just never secured it in. This is why I think it was a bad call.

With it 4th and 1...and the officials call an offsides. How is it that the officials want the Pats to win? That was such a close offsides call. I won't complain about that...it was offsides.

You're right, Brian...we are biased for the exact reasons.

I agree with you on the Gaffney call--I was stunned to not see that overturned, but if it had, with the personal foul penalties called (and Scott should have been ejected from the game, IMO), the Pats would have had a first down on the 1 yard line, at the very least.

On the final play, one final time, IF pass interference had been called, they would have had one more play at the three yard line. But we all know the saying: if if's and but's were candy and nuts...

Now, here's the bad thing about all of this. There is already conspiracy talk going on on sports talk radio. Our local station here is talking about how there might be some merit to the refs favoring the Pats because refs are human and can be bought off, we really don't know anything about these refs--who they are and where they came from, and since the NBA has it's own officiating problems, they are saying that it's possible the same thing could happen in the NFL. This is why it's never good for a game to hinge on the call of an official.

Come on, Steelers! :lol:

 

[SpongeScott]

You and the rest of the country...


It was so painful to listen to those boneheaded announcers last night:

"this could be the night!"

"the Ravens could pull off the upset of the year!"

"could this be the game the Pats lose?!"

And of course the quip about how they were in Pittsburg last week during the Sunday night game, and how the bar erupted in cheers everytime the Eagles scored.... :hurl:

That's ok! Belichick will be even more ornery and diabolical now, and the Pats will crush their last 4 opponents!

Face it, other than the New England area, the entire nation as a whole wants to see you lose. They view the Pats as cheaters, they view the Pats as unsportsmanlike by running up the score, they don't view the Pats as the lovable underdogs anymore. :shrug:

 

[WDWFREAK53]

You're right, Brian...we are biased for the exact reasons.

I agree with you on the Gaffney call--I was stunned to not see that overturned, but if it had, with the personal foul penalties called (and Scott should have been ejected from the game, IMO), the Pats would have had a first down on the 1 yard line, at the very least.

On the final play, one final time, IF pass interference had been called, they would have had one more play at the three yard line. But we all know the saying: if if's and but's were candy and nuts...

Now, here's the bad thing about all of this. There is already conspiracy talk going on on sports talk radio. Our local station here is talking about how there might be some merit to the refs favoring the Pats because refs are human and can be bought off, we really don't know anything about these refs--who they are and where they came from, and since the NBA has it's own officiating problems, they are saying that it's possible the same thing could happen in the NFL. This is why it's never good for a game to hinge on the call of an official.

Come on, Steelers! :lol:

Conspiracy theories... you're just trying to rile me up today aren't you

Do me a favor...get the tape of that game...please show me where calls were made or calls weren't made that justify the officials calling the game in favor of the Patriots. Please do.
Like I said, if it was a "conspiracy," would they have called a very close offsides call when the Pats NEEDED a 1st down to win...and it was 4th and 1?

So, now that they're proving the spygate scandal wasn't the reasoning for the Patriots winning superbowls...now we'll say those players aren't deserving of it because the refs are being paid off.

Well, when that gets proven wrong...what's next? Oh, Tom Brady is really a cyborg! He's not a human so his stats and his victories don't count!

 

[WildcatDen]

I can think of one missed call right off the bat. I think New England was on it's next to last drive. It might be a moot point since they punted, but the call could have made a difference. Brady was back to pass and was being pressured. Right before contact he flung the ball forward. When they showed the replay from behind the play you can see clearly that the only two Patriots within 15 yards of the pass were linemen. This should have been intentional grounding that would have been a down and distance call. The Pats would have had to punt from at least 15 yards further back. With the kick coverage perfromance that night, it COULD have made a difference.

The other call, Brian, is one you already agree with but I think is moot. The Gaffney (non) catch. Bottom line is the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal.

I did think that #37 on the Pats is a punk at best. And that is keeping it lightly. No class punk thug may be a better term. Pats pick off the incrediably poor thrown ball and make a decent return. What does #37 do (who by the way had nothing to do with the pick) he starts trash talking Billick and the Ravens bench. What a turd. Of course Billick makes the guy look more like an idiot by sticking out his tongue at him to emphasize how stupid #37 is.

Do I like the Ravens. . . NOPE. The are number 3 on my most hated teams. #1 is the pasty's, #2 is poopsburgh, and three is the raisons. Now I am forced to root for the poopsburgh stinkers. Oh well.

Go LSU!!!!

 

[SpongeScott]

I can think of one missed call right off the bat. I think New England was on it's next to last drive. It might be a moot point since they punted, but the call could have made a difference. Brady was back to pass and was being pressured. Right before contact he flung the ball forward. When they showed the replay from behind the play you can see clearly that the only two Patriots within 15 yards of the pass were linemen. This should have been intentional grounding that would have been a down and distance call. The Pats would have had to punt from at least 15 yards further back. With the kick coverage perfromance that night, it COULD have made a difference.

The other call, Brian, is one you already agree with but I think is moot. The Gaffney (non) catch. Bottom line is the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal.

I did think that #37 on the Pats is a punk at best. And that is keeping it lightly. No class punk thug may be a better term. Pats pick off the incrediably poor thrown ball and make a decent return. What does #37 do (who by the way had nothing to do with the pick) he starts trash talking Billick and the Ravens bench. What a turd. Of course Billick makes the guy look more like an idiot by sticking out his tongue at him to emphasize how stupid #37 is.

Do I like the Ravens. . . NOPE. The are number 3 on my most hated teams. #1 is the pasty's, #2 is poopsburgh, and three is the raisons. Now I am forced to root for the poopsburgh stinkers. Oh well.

Go LSU!!!!

I promise, I didn't solicit this for reinforcements. :lol: Finally, someone else joins this thread that is a non-Pats fan.

Poopsburgh? :ROFLOL:

 

[Hakunamatata]

I promise, I didn't solicit this for reinforcements. :lol: Finally, someone else joins this thread that is a non-Pats fan.

Poopsburgh? :ROFLOL:

Im not a Pats fan at all. In fact, I would probably root for the Iranian National team if they were playing the Pats.:lookaroun

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I can think of one missed call right off the bat. I think New England was on it's next to last drive. It might be a moot point since they punted, but the call could have made a difference. Brady was back to pass and was being pressured. Right before contact he flung the ball forward. When they showed the replay from behind the play you can see clearly that the only two Patriots within 15 yards of the pass were linemen. This should have been intentional grounding that would have been a down and distance call. The Pats would have had to punt from at least 15 yards further back. With the kick coverage perfromance that night, it COULD have made a difference.

The other call, Brian, is one you already agree with but I think is moot. The Gaffney (non) catch. Bottom line is the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal.

I did think that #37 on the Pats is a punk at best. And that is keeping it lightly. No class punk thug may be a better term. Pats pick off the incrediably poor thrown ball and make a decent return. What does #37 do (who by the way had nothing to do with the pick) he starts trash talking Billick and the Ravens bench. What a turd. Of course Billick makes the guy look more like an idiot by sticking out his tongue at him to emphasize how stupid #37 is.

Do I like the Ravens. . . NOPE. The are number 3 on my most hated teams. #1 is the pasty's, #2 is poopsburgh, and three is the raisons. Now I am forced to root for the poopsburgh stinkers. Oh well.

Go LSU!!!!

#37 is Rodney Harrison. I agree...he shouldn't have done that...and it was classless. But, Billick blowing kisses is hardly taking the higher ground and made himself look even more childish.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I can think of one missed call right off the bat. I think New England was on it's next to last drive. It might be a moot point since they punted, but the call could have made a difference. Brady was back to pass and was being pressured. Right before contact he flung the ball forward. When they showed the replay from behind the play you can see clearly that the only two Patriots within 15 yards of the pass were linemen. This should have been intentional grounding that would have been a down and distance call. The Pats would have had to punt from at least 15 yards further back. With the kick coverage perfromance that night, it COULD have made a difference.



Go LSU!!!!

Here is why they didn't call it.

"Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)."

Brady was out of the pocket and he threw it far enough.

 

[SpongeScott]

Here is why they didn't call it.

"Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)."

Brady was out of the pocket and he threw it far enough.

I've never liked that rule. I wonder how many old-timers from the NFL think how these guys are being babied compared to the way they used to play.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I've never liked that rule. I wonder how many old-timers from the NFL think how these guys are being babied compared to the way they used to play.

I completely agree...I hate it too. Intentional grounding is intentional grounding...
I say...if they're out of the pocket and there are no eligible receivers...it's a fumble.

Like it or not though...it's a rule. Refs need to call the game by the books. I don't like the tuck rule either. (And I'm a NE fan!)

Letting a team play in the 4th...and taking the refs out of it is not playing the game. It's just another "unwritten rule." (Much like running up the score). Why have rules if it's always going to come down to unwritten ones anyways?

Call the game the same way throughout. Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Play the entire game being called by the books...and then in the most important time of the game...call it differently. How can a team prepare for something like that?

It's not fair to either coach, either team, or the fans.

 

[Iakona]

I love this. I actually don't care that everyone hates the Pats. People hate them because the Pats are better and smarter.

1. Running up the score - I was originally of the mind that they should not be doing this. However, looking back to last year where they could NOT finish the Colts off it makes more sense. There is a reason they have T-Shirts that say 60 Minute Men. The last 2 games (and the Colt's game) are proof that playing 60 minutes EVERY game is the right thing to do. Stop the whining and stop our offense instead.
2. #37 - Yeah, dumb to do that to Billick. However, that game was just a nasty, tough, physical old-time football game. The Ravens have a solid reputation for mouthing off when they are "in" a game and there is no doubt that they were doing exactly that the entire game. Both sides were getting chippy and mouthing off so to pick 1 player out and not the rest of them is naive.
3. Bad officiating - I agree. The officiating was bad for both sides. I can think of 3 important plays that included non-calls that would have been huge for the Pats offense.
   1. 1st quarter (I think): Long pass down the field to Moss. The Raven covering Moss, never turns to look for the ball, and is jumping on top of Moss before the ball gets there.
   2. Pats in the Red Zone and the the announcers are glowing about the excellent pass coverage by the Ravens and keeping the Pats from getting a TD. Then the replay. On the right hand side, in the end-zone the Pats receiver is being mauled by the Raven. Pass interference, illegal contact, illegal hands to the face. No Call.
   3. Last play of the game. Watch the replay. The ball is up for grabs. Everyone can go up and contact is expected. What is illegal is when a player puts his arms around the defender's (Assante Samuel) shoulders and pushes him down away from the ball. No flag. If that play had resulted in a touchdown then would the game have been fixed for the Ravens?
4. Refs cost the Ravens the game - NO way. The Ravens lost composure and that cost them the game.
   1. Watson Pass Interference - Watch the replay. That was pass interference. Both hands on Watson and impeding his progress to where he wanted to go. Not ticky tack.
   2. Unsportsmanlike for 30 yards. I have watched the replay a bunch of times and in no way did I see the ref make Scott pick up the flag and throw it into the stands. Had Gaffney's catch been overturned then the Pats would have been 1st down on the 1 yard line. Even with the touch down the Pats were kicking into the wind and the Ravens had been successful in getting good field position. Those stupid penalties cost the Ravens a chance to have a return. All they needed was a field goal to stay alive.
   3. The Ravens are the 2nd MOST penalized team in the AFC. Gee, every game must be fixed against them then.
   4. 4 and 1 and the RAVENS call a timeout negating a game ending stop of Tom Brady. Whoops.
   5. 4 and 1 and the Patriots get called for a motion penalty before the ball is snapped. Usually a 4th and 6 is harder than a 4th and 1. However, the Pats talent and the Ravens being in self destruct mode made it inevitable that they would get the 1st down.

Moral of the story - keep your composure and play the game. That is a winning mentality. Blaming everyone but yourself for loosing is a loser's mentality.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I love this. I actually don't care that everyone hates the Pats. People hate them because the Pats are better and smarter.

1. Running up the score - I was originally of the mind that they should not be doing this. However, looking back to last year where they could NOT finish the Colts off it makes more sense. There is a reason they have T-Shirts that say 60 Minute Men. The last 2 games (and the Colt's game) are proof that playing 60 minutes EVERY game is the right thing to do. Stop the whining and stop our offense instead.
2. #37 - Yeah, dumb to do that to Billick. However, that game was just a nasty, tough, physical old-time football game. The Ravens have a solid reputation for mouthing off when they are "in" a game and there is no doubt that they were doing exactly that the entire game. Both sides were getting chippy and mouthing off so to pick 1 player out and not the rest of them is naive.
3. Bad officiating - I agree. The officiating was bad for both sides. I can think of 3 important plays that included non-calls that would have been huge for the Pats offense.
   1. 1st quarter (I think): Long pass down the field to Moss. The Raven covering Moss, never turns to look for the ball, and is jumping on top of Moss before the ball gets there.
   2. Pats in the Red Zone and the the announcers are glowing about the excellent pass coverage by the Ravens and keeping the Pats from getting a TD. Then the replay. On the right hand side, in the end-zone the Pats receiver is being mauled by the Raven. Pass interference, illegal contact, illegal hands to the face. No Call.
   3. Last play of the game. Watch the replay. The ball is up for grabs. Everyone can go up and contact is expected. What is illegal is when a player puts his arms around the defender's (Assante Samuel) shoulders and pushes him down away from the ball. No flag. If that play had resulted in a touchdown then would the game have been fixed for the Ravens?
4. Refs cost the Ravens the game - NO way. The Ravens lost composure and that cost them the game.
   1. Watson Pass Interference - Watch the replay. That was pass interference. Both hands on Watson and impeding his progress to where he wanted to go. Not ticky tack.
   2. Unsportsmanlike for 30 yards. I have watched the replay a bunch of times and in no way did I see the ref make Scott pick up the flag and throw it into the stands. Had Gaffney's catch been overturned then the Pats would have been 1st down on the 1 yard line. Even with the touch down the Pats were kicking into the wind and the Ravens had been successful in getting good field position. Those stupid penalties cost the Ravens a chance to have a return. All they needed was a field goal to stay alive.
   3. The Ravens are the 2nd MOST penalized team in the AFC. Gee, every game must be fixed against them then.
   4. 4 and 1 and the RAVENS call a timeout negating a game ending stop of Tom Brady. Whoops.
   5. 4 and 1 and the Patriots get called for a motion penalty before the ball is snapped. Usually a 4th and 6 is harder than a 4th and 1. However, the Pats talent and the Ravens being in self destruct mode made it inevitable that they would get the 1st down.

Moral of the story - keep your composure and play the game. That is a winning mentality. Blaming everyone but yourself for loosing is a loser's mentality.

Even though that was Brady's lowest QB percentage...I thought his play last week was worse. He actually did play pretty damn good this week...too many dropped passes lowered his percentage. That wind was wicked...and the weather played right into the Ravens' favor. I believe that one pass to Moss that went through his fingers was due to the wind...it may not have moved the ball but Brady had to throw it harder than he normally would have so the wind wouldn't affect it as much. Watch that pass again...that was a rocket!

 

[WildcatDen]

Here is why they didn't call it.

"Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)."

Brady was out of the pocket and he threw it far enough.

You must have been looking at a different play. It was a straight drop back. Miss Brady was not outside the tackles. She did, however, get it past the line of scrimmage, just missing one of her guard's helmets.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

You must have been looking at a different play. It was a straight drop back. Miss Brady was not outside the tackles. She did, however, get it past the line of scrimmage, just missing one of her guard's helmets.

We must've because the play I'm talking about...Brady was running over to the sidelines and tossed a pass forward.

BTW...what are you saying about the rest of the league if the best player in the game right now is a girl?