Are we Better Off Now Than Before? What Do You Think?

MIKETFROMRI

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Original Poster
Okey lets start with some of the newre attractions etc and see just how much better WDW has become OR NOT...

Present ( new) Stitch.......Monsters Inc......Tiki Room( new managment).....Capt EO ( redo).....Imagination new one)....Soarin....Finding Nemo....new spaceship earth.....Toy Story Mania....Everest...NemoLive.....american idle....electric parade.... Buzz
space ranger..test track...mission mars...ellens adv..

Past.....Skyway...delta ( where Buzz is)...alian encounter....original version SSE....Horizons....body wars...world motion..original world of energy..lion king show...

Which Disney World would you go to
 

Florida_is_hot

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Okey lets start with some of the newre attractions etc and see just how much better WDW has become OR NOT...

Present ( new) Stitch.......Monsters Inc......Tiki Room( new managment).....Capt EO ( redo).....Imagination new one)....Soarin....Finding Nemo....new spaceship earth.....Toy Story Mania....Everest...NemoLive.....american idle....electric parade.... Buzz
space ranger..test track...mission mars...ellens adv..

Past.....Skyway...delta ( where Buzz is)...alian encounter....original version SSE....Horizons....body wars...world motion..original world of energy..lion king show...

Which Disney World would you go to

I would take the past attractions any day..
Can think of very few if any of the new attractions improve the attractions they replaced.
 

Tom

Beta Return
Okey lets start with some of the newre attractions etc and see just how much better WDW has become OR NOT...

Present ( new) Stitch.......Monsters Inc......Tiki Room( new managment).....Capt EO ( redo).....Imagination new one)....Soarin....Finding Nemo....new spaceship earth.....Toy Story Mania....Everest...NemoLive.....american idle....electric parade.... Buzz
space ranger..test track...mission mars...ellens adv..

Past.....Skyway...delta ( where Buzz is)...alian encounter....original version SSE....Horizons....body wars...world motion..original world of energy..lion king show...

Which Disney World would you go to

I'm torn.

I guess I'm not a fully certified fan boy, because I don't get completely hung up on nostalgia. While I think it's sad that we lose attractions now and again, I have also been pleased (for the most part) with the new ones they've given us.

I miss the Skyway. I REALLY miss Alien Encounter. This one's going to get things thrown at me, but I don't necessarily miss Horizons. And I really don't miss the WoL pavilion....but I wish there were something useful sitting there today rather than an "events" building.
 

rsoxguy

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I tend to appreciate the past for what it is; great memories within my heart and mind. I tend to appreciate the present for what it is; an opportunity to enjoy "today" while knowing that it will present great memories in the future. WDW is a theme park, and I lean more toward going for the sake of fun rather than analizing. Simplistic, I know, but I tend to be happily satisfied with my life.
 

Minnie1976

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I miss the Skyway. It was so relaxing and you could get a giood view of the Magic Kingdom from up above.

I enjoy Buzz, but miss If you had wings.

I'd take Motion over Fast Track at Epcot.

Imagination needs to return to the original of what was in the whole building. They have really messed that bulding up.

They need the original music back on Listen to the Land. Epcot had great music when it opened and a lot of it is no longer heard.

It depends on which park if I'd go with the old instead of the new. There are attractions I miss, but new ones I love.

AK really hasn't had any of the original attractions shutdown.
 

Becky

Active Member
I vote the old. :D Plus I vote no "Dinning Plan" (food is much worse now) and no "Fast Pass". Prior to FP I was able to do everything in any of the three parks twice a day (yep pre AK).
 

Jimmy Thick

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To sum up this thread in a nutshell, and any discussion about the subject there after, the parks are in the best place they have ever been.

Breaking it down.

1) If the attractions that were replaced were of any value to the current Disney guest, they would still be there, pure and simple. The age old worthless crutch that a attraction "lost its sponsor" is meaningless. Space Mountain has not had a sponsor in over 5 years, but its still there. Now why is that? Simple, the ride still moves people into it. If any of the other attractions still packed in guests, they would still be there.

2) Micheal Eisner. Eisner's vision for the parks far surpassed even Walt, in fact I would be so bold as to say Disney World is more Eisner's than Walt's. Disney World was a little park before Eisner, now its a huge city catering to something for everyone. Before Eisner, the people making decisions for Disney World had no clue just what they had, Eisner did, and now we have the park as it is and always should be. Eisner actually had the guts to take advantage of the tremendous acreage available.

3) The rides are far superior. Take Epcot for example. The whole place, with the exception of a select few, is a totally different concept than when Epcot was originally opened, and a far superior product as well. Comparing still state of the art attractions like Tower of Terror to the rides of old is amusing at best.

4) More of everything. More rides, more restaurants, more resorts. It goes without saying there is more to do now than in the long forgotten days of old.



Jimmy Thick-Now is the time!!!
 

rodserling27

Well-Known Member
To sum up this thread in a nutshell, and any discussion about the subject there after, the parks are in the best place they have ever been.

Breaking it down.

1) If the attractions that were replaced were of any value to the current Disney guest, they would still be there, pure and simple. The age old worthless crutch that a attraction "lost its sponsor" is meaningless. Space Mountain has not had a sponsor in over 5 years, but its still there. Now why is that? Simple, the ride still moves people into it. If any of the other attractions still packed in guests, they would still be there.

Jimmy Thick-Now is the time!!!

The bolded text is something that I have come to realize, sadly. I think most WDW guests don't care as much about theming or staying constant. But to me, that should be the heart of WDW. Immersive experience where you aren't an audience, you are a participant! WDW is at its best when everything ties together and forms a complete, consistent and coherent experience. I'm not so sure if this decides whether we are better off now or then, but today certainly has the disadvantage of inconsistency.

Allow me to pick on my all-time favorite attraction, the Haunted Mansion. Just look at the ridiculous new HM queue, lauded as being "interactive" and "Fun" and keeping "true" to Disney standards. Are you kidding me? It is completely out of sync with the vision of the rest of the attraction. It's cartoony, goofy and unrealistic within the context of the rest of the attraction. Any suspension of disbelief that one might have during HM is completely ripped to shreds with the cartoony queue. Consistency is key too. The Sea Captain who, in the hallway, has a startling and terrifying picture. Telling us he might be dangerous. He's holding a spear and covered in sea weed. His ghostly ship looks like it crashed in the background..is this how he died? Drowning at sea?!!?
Then we find out in the end of the ride...oh it's all ok! These are grim GRINNING ghosts who come out to socialize! They mean us no harm! Great storytelling. However...in the queue...the Captain is....pickled in brine as a cartoon who spits out water once in a while and sneezes. Are you kidding me?

Unimaginative and unrealistic within the world of the Haunted Mansion. Ever notice that the ghosts are all stylized to look like REAL humans? Even Madam Leota, Little Leota and the Bride have real human faces sourced from filmed footage. Then why, tell me, is the queue made up of a bunch of cartoon characters? Inconsistency, and it irks me to no end.

Am I splitting hairs? Yes. Of course I am. But consistency all around is something that Disney is known for, and it slips terribly in some areas. Tell me how, in any way, shape or form, "Toy Story Midway Mania" makes ANY sense within the context of the movie? We are taught from the first moments of Toy Story (original) that these toys DO NOT TALK around humans, with the exception of the skit pulled on Sid. We learn in TS2 that these toys are delicate and might be priceless. They must be taken care of, and we spend an entire movie worrying about the well-being of Woodie. TS3 brings it back around to teach us about how loving of these toys Andy is, and how awesome they are to play with...but even when their "lives" are threatened, they never talk in front of Andy.

Now let's look at the ride at DHS. The toys are throwing a surprise party...for who? Andy. And they are going to play games, and WE, the audience, have to help them get ready. Excuse me? Did the imagineers watch ANY of the films?
We throw objects at them, shoot guns, darts, and all of these things. We put them in harms way, these precious toys. In a carnival. Under Andy's bed. To get ready for him to come back. Right. This attraction, while fun, has no tie-in to the film except that we are throwing things at Toy Story characters. Then at the end, we get a 'score' that doesn't correspond to anything. It's just a video game score. Fantastic. At least Buzz LIghtyear's score corresponds to your galactic rank as space hero! This ride would have worked better with Donald Duck, for crying out loud.

TSMM is a classic example of using effects to tell a story and not vice-versa. It's the same problem George Lucas and Spielberg run into with the new Star Wars and Indiana Jones films. Storytelling takes a back seat to CGI-infested fight scenes. Great effects, cool scenes and lightsaber duels...but poor storytelling and inconsistency. You can't let effects tell th estory. You only use them to ENHANCE a story you already have.
I apply that same logic to WDW. Sure, there are plenty of innovative and amazing things all over WDW that have happened over the years, but a lot of them are at the expense of the experience and story that is being told. There is also something to be said about original "classic" attractions that have lasted all these years. Simple, unadorned, direct. The "classics" contain great story telling, entertainment and imagination all with PAINSTAKING detail to everything.


Sorry for the long rant, but it's the insane amount of NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAIL, as I have outlined here, that makes me think wonder if we are not in a better place than we used to be at WDW. Most people don't care, so maybe I should learn not to care either.


I love Walt Disney World just as much as any of us do. That's why I'm so critical of it at times. It COULD be a whole lot better.

Some imagination, huh?
End of rant.
 

Becky

Active Member
1) If the attractions that were replaced were of any value to the current Disney guest, they would still be there. If any of the other attractions still packed in guests, they would still be there.

UM, Motion and Horizons "packed in guests" and are gone. The fact that they did not have long lines most of the time was due to them being continous load rides not because people did not ride.
 

DawnCt

Member
I miss the Sky Ride; not that we used it that much but it gave a festive, fun look to the MK.
I definitely miss Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure it was a bit hokey but I grew up reading The Mother West Wind stories. It was tradition for us to ride both sides, (they were different) on our last night in WDW.
I enjoyed Fast Track when it first opened. Now its, "been there, done that", and I would welcome Motion back in a second. I also miss the Original Imagination with Figment. Loved the smell, Misty Morning Dew, etc.
Food was absolutely better without the meal plan. It was easier to walk into restaurants for a last minute decision, etc. Now that it is prepaid, too many people make and keep ADRs.
I liked the Met Life pavilion and the attractions there. Body Wars gave me motion sickness however. Now it seems to be used as a "hall" for whatever doesn't fit somewhere else.
I wouldn't mind seeing an alternate Indiana Jones show at the Studio but it would be a complete redo.
 

THEMEPARKPIONEER

Well-Known Member
If could trave time I would never travel to Disney World in the 90s and never visit it in this time period again. Of course I would have to buy some shorts as short as a pair of boxers and a bright orange shirt to fit in.
 

DawnCt

Member
What I miss at the resorts? I miss Tangaroa Terrace, which was a large restaurant at the Poly. It was usually full during busy times but there was little wait for breakfast seating. I also miss Ariel's at the Beach Club. It was a smaller restaurant but served excellent seafood. One of my last Disney meals with my mom was there. It closed a year or so after she passed away.
 

the-reason14

Well-Known Member
I think some people need hobbies. It's not that serious. I think the main part of WDW or any Disney theme park is to have fun with family and friends. Maybe I'm overthink things as well, but once it's stops being fun then maybe that's when we should really start complaining, and yet still continue going :D
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Am I splitting hairs?
Nonono, those hairs are the difference between the real thing and kitsch. Between the work of genius and the wannabe.

It is not splitting hairs, it is everything. It is only the details, the small stuff, those things us 'foamers' get worked up about, that are the difference between Disney and kitsch. Lose a thousand little details, decline by hundred little degrees, and Mickey turns into Rizzo:

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Everything you wrote is spot on. The HM bit is so good it reads like Foxxfur. But...it is so spot on it suffers from being too complicated. The sad thing about slipping standards is that it is not (just) maintenance and cheapness. If only it were that simple. The more pervasive problems are creative decisions. Such as the cartoonification of the MK. Or the loss of purpose in EPCOT. Or the dumbing down of the offerings.
Alas, these issues are intricate, and mindboggingly complex. So complex, in fact, I don't understand them. Few, if any, others do. It is not easily understood why the Disney parks work so well. What we do understand is that the answer is not 'because of this or that ubercool franchise', or 'because of a theme consisting of flashy bright-coloured oversized objects'. What we understand is that it is about those little details we obsess about, or about those slight shifts in thematic focus we worry about. That it is, after all, about those hairs we split.
 

the-reason14

Well-Known Member
That's what they told me at work, so I picked up WDW as a hobby!

So now for relaxation I get all foamy about the lack of foliage to cover up the ride mechanics of carnival rides at an amusement park. :cool:

Oh I know! My favorite pastime is bringing a clipboard in the parks and writing down all that's wrong with wdwr. How this ride doesn't fit, how a piece of scenery is out of sync with the rest of the ride, chipped paint, and my absolute favorite burnt out light bulbs. Then I love to go to different sites and report my findings and compare notes with others and complain about the price not justifying the experience, all the while planning my next trip. So much fun. :sohappy:

Whew, thank God i have a life outside of Disney.
 

SyracuseOrange

Well-Known Member
Oh I know! My favorite pastime is bringing a clipboard in the parks and writing down all that's wrong with wdwr. How this ride doesn't fit, how a piece of scenery is out of sync with the rest of the ride, chipped paint, and my absolute favorite burnt out light bulbs. Then I love to go to different sites and report my findings and compare notes with others and complain about the price not justifying the experience, all the while planning my next trip. So much fun. :sohappy:

Whew, thank God i have a life outside of Disney.

All the awards.
 

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