animal treatment at AK

tracyandalex

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
tonight i was talking to my mom and she brought this article to my attenetion. this is the first time i had heard anything about disney not treating their animals properly. has anyone else heard anything else about this? i hope these accusations are not true :veryconfu

http://animalrightsflorida.org/Disney.html

thanks for all the input

tracy
 

tigsmom

Well-Known Member
How old is that article?

I was watching a show today on DAK and they spoke of all the accusations and then showed the doctors and technicians that care for the animals. They have better equipment to care for the animals than some hospitals have to care for people. Animals have been bred successfully since the park has been open.

You will have deaths when animals are transferred from one facility to another (such as was done when the park opened) due to stress.

I'm sure the park and its facilities are inspected and procedures are reviewed.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Don't worry about it. They are just like Peta and are trying to push their agenda anyway possible. The fact is that Disney is very good about animal care. In fact they are considered one of the best in the nation. It is true that some animals died before the park opened. However that is not uncommon. Many died for reasons associated with their former homes, and being transported. Disney animal care staff is excellent, and all of the animals are well cared for.
 

brkgnews

Well-Known Member
This seems to be one of those animal extremist groups that are looking for any reason to throw somebody's name in the mud to push their cause. And I don't say this just because the target is Disney -- I disagree with alot of these groups when they target ANY agency. Having said that, consider this... how many other facilities are willing to let the public come in and "inspect" (backstage tour) their animal care facilities. Full-fledged mistreatment can't be swept under the rug when guests walk by.
 

that_L_do_pig

New Member
peter11435 said:
Don't worry about it. They are just like Peta and are trying to push their agenda anyway possible. The fact is that Disney is very good about animal care. In fact they are considered one of the best in the nation. It is true that some animals died before the park opened. However that is not uncommon. Many died for reasons associated with their former homes, and being transported. Disney animal care staff is excellent, and all of the animals are well cared for.

OP, go with this answer. We have the same 'outrage' at our annual Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo where there is also top notch veterinary care that rivals or exceeds the human care. I'll leave my opinion out of this, but I am just letting you know that this tactic is not limited to AK.
 

Yellow Shoes

Well-Known Member
From the article cited by tracyandalex:


For many animals in zoos, captivity can cause stress, boredom, and depression. Animals housed in zoos and aquariums are denied their basic right to life as nature intended.

These groups are not happy with animals in ANY kind of confinement.
They object to our saying that we "own" a dog.
Nothing will ever make these groups happy.

I've always wondered if members of these groups take insulin (or have a granny who does), etc., or if they shun modern medicine completely. There are VERY few medical advances that haven't resulted from animal involvement.
 

sillyspook13

Well-Known Member
This was popular opinion among animal rights activists leading up to the opining of Animal Kingdom. I can tell you from working in conjunction with animal programs for the last two years that those accusations are false.

For example:
Parrots are forced to perform on cue and lizards are carted around in containers at the pseudo-African theme park.
No animal is forced to do anything on cue. If an animal doesn't want to leave their enclosure in the morning or return at night, that's fine. It's the animal's decision. If an animal doesn't want to do their part in a show, it's skipped. No animal is harmed punished for not doing what it is told to do. There are even times that a show has been paused or completely stopped because an animal was doing its own thing.

As part of my job at Animal Kingdom I have been taken on tours of several areas involved with animal programs. The quality of care that our animals recieve is outstanding. Every little detail is considered for the well being of the animals. Last weekend I was taken on a tour of the veterinary clinics at Rafiki's Planet Watch. If you are ever in doubt of the quality of the care of the animals, PLEASE go there. :)
 

Captain Hank

Well-Known Member
I'll leave my opinion of Animal Rights activists out of this (as much as I can). I had some major issues with a lot of things they said:

For many animals in zoos, captivity can cause stress, boredom, and depression.
The staff at Animal Kingdom does its best to provide stimulating activities for the animals (things like browse and interactive objects)

Disney’s claim of conservation is absurd in a commercialized land of fake “habitats” and real rainforest mahogany souvenirs.
Show me where Disney sells souvenirs made from rainforest wood.

In order to build snack bars and cages for imported animals, Disney bulldozed tens of thousands of acres of wildlife habitat in central Florida, killing native gopher tortoises and other animals.
At about this time, Disney set aside a large area of land as a wildlife preserve. http://nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/florida/preserves/art5523.html

The signs posted at Disney’s Animal Kingdom provide no useful information about the species on display, and visitors aren’t educated how to help animals on their own.
Define "useful," please. And, I do believe Rafiki's Planet Watch is dedicated to concerns about conservation, especially the huge issue of habitat destruction.

Instead, animals were purposely bred or stolen from the wild, in order to satisfy Disney’s demand for younger animals or specific species.
I might be wrong on this one, but I believe that no animals were taken from the wild for the express purpose of populating DAK.

Surplus animals are an unavoidable byproduct of zoos. These animals are often sold by third party dealers to circuses, roadside zoos, research laboratories, and even hunting facilities.
Show me where Disney does this.

I'm afraid that I'm unfamiliar with most of the situations described in the last section.
 

PhilosophyMagic

New Member
brkgnews said:
...how many other facilities are willing to let the public come in and "inspect" (backstage tour) their animal care facilities. Full-fledged mistreatment can't be swept under the rug when guests walk by.

I certainly hope that the animals are treated well at AK. We definately have to take a lot of the claims against Disney with a grain of salt, and look at the real agendas of the organizations that are making those claims. Often, the agenda is total abolition of ANY confinement of animals.

On the other hand, this doesn't mean that the animal advocates' claims MUST be wrong. Many institutions that act as if they care greatly for their animals really do not do so. For instance, circuses provide "backstage tours" on specific areas, but the Humane Society of the United States, which is a very moderate animal welfare organization, notes records of significant abuse on their website.

Meanwhile, the Human Society outlines the issues surrounding zoos on their website:

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/zoos/

Circuses and other similar issues are discussed in the subsections listed on the left. Hope this helps! :wave:
 

robynchic

New Member
goofyfan13 said:
People eating tasty animals? :lookaroun

That's the kind of PETA I think of!

Or how about pita...with beef or turkey shwarma (it's the Hebrew name for it- they sell it in Morocco under a different name) in it? Yummmmm...I love me some MEAT!

Beaver dam it...I have to be thinking about food when I'm fasting for Yom Kippur...ARGH!
 

tracyandalex

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
thanks so much for backing up my initial feelings about this article. i had seen some things from peta, which i wrote off because i know how extreme that group is. i worked in a zoo for 2 years and graduated with a biology degree focusing on conservation and pollution and i was appalled by this. my mom was shocked too and that's why she brought it to my attention. we have never taken a behind the scenes tour, but the next time we go i will add that just so my mom can see for herself. neither of us wanted to belive this, so thanks again for making us feel better.
:)

tracy
 

Erika

Moderator
Any time you have animals in confinement you are going to get opposition from someone. I understand the argument against fencing in wild animals but I also understand that zoos and conservation efforts are necessary in today's world.

Unfortunately thre are a lot of radical groups out there that only succeed in irritating people to the point of indifference when a more legitimate issue needs to be addressed. It's a shame.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
tracyandalex said:
tonight i was talking to my mom and she brought this article to my attenetion. this is the first time i had heard anything about disney not treating their animals properly. has anyone else heard anything else about this? i hope these accusations are not true :veryconfu

http://animalrightsflorida.org/Disney.html

thanks for all the input

tracy

the group may mean well, but they, like so many other activist groups, don't look at the bigger picture
 

Woody13

New Member
tracyandalex said:
...so thanks again for making us feel better.
:)

tracy
Don't feel too good. Disney has a rather poor record dealing with it's animals. They are getting better, but only because of public attention. It wasn't too long ago that Disney regularly killed black vultures, sea gulls and other "non-wanted" birds. They got caught and they most likely won't risk the adverse publicity again.

However, you've got to keep a sharp eye on them!
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
Woody13 said:
Don't feel too good. Disney has a rather poor record dealing with it's animals. They are getting better, but only because of public attention. It wasn't too long ago that Disney regularly killed black vultures, sea gulls and other "non-wanted" birds. They got caught and they most likely won't risk the adverse publicity again.

However, you've got to keep a sharp eye on them!


they can kill all of the sea gulls they want.....they are a nuisance, and are very aggressive (due to stupid human behavior)
 

Woody13

New Member
speck76 said:
they can kill all of the sea gulls they want.....they are a nuisance, and are very aggressive (due to stupid human behavior)
Disney Zoo Kills Birds



Walt Disney World likes its grounds in Orlando, Florida to be orderly and clean. So when wild, migratory birds passing through the giant park made too much noise, defecated on park walkways and benches, and were otherwise disruptive, Disney fought back.

According to criminal charges filed against the company in Florida, employees of Walt Disney World's Discovery Island killed, maimed, or captured and improperly confined a variety of protected migratory birds, including vultures, hawks, owls, falcons, egrets and ibises. Federal and state prosecutors involved in the matter alleged that vultures were trapped and either beaten to death or confined to small, overheated and underventilated pens without adequate food and water; that the eggs of nesting egrets and ibises were destroyed; and that falcons, hawks, and other birds were shot.

Discovery Island is an 11-acre zoological park where millions of tourists each year view exotic animals in a serene, "natural" environment. Disney pleaded guilty to one charge of violating the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act and was fined $10,000. Disney was also ordered to pay an additional $10,000 to the Florida Audobon Society's Center for Birds of Prey and agreed to contribute $75,000 to Florida State fish and game programs promoting conservation.
 

GoofyMom2

New Member
Sheesh, not a one-sided article or anything, is it? :rolleyes:


I am so glad to read the postive responses from the members here and that that they are not swallowing all these lines.

As a person who has always worked extensively in the animal care field, and currently volunteers at a AZA acredited Zoo in animal care, I cringe reading such statements from groups like this. Surplus of animals sold to research, circuses, etc? Please....... :rolleyes: Almost every animal born/hatched etc at an accedited zoo was very well planned for, in fact the breeding had to be approved, many times by a national committe. So each of these babies is precious and cared for. You would not believe the strigent regulations that these institutions have to follow for care, feeding, enrichment, housing, breeding, etc. There are so many inspections, mandatory guidelines, approvals, committees, etc. And zoos are just there to make money? Guess they haven't looked at many zoos bottom line and financial reports.

For me to make a proper response to this would take pages. I am glad to see it doesn't look like I have to.... we have an educated public here! :)

Trust me on this, no one cares for these animals as much as those who work with them. They become part of our own "families", and we celebrate each birth, watch them grow with the enthusiam of a parent, celebrate their lives, and mourn their loss.

Thank you, AK keepers, for all you do!
 

xfkirsten

New Member
First of all, note that there is absolutely no source given for their information, whatsoever. That should set off alarms right away.

From the point of view of someone who has worked in wild animal care (wildlife rehabilitation as well as zoo/aquarium settings) before...

One visitor to Animal Kingdom noted a nocturnal kinkajou trying to sleep in a glass case with blaring lights

First of all, I'm not sure what they mean by glass case. If it was in a vet area, there was probably a good reason why it was in that space. Second of all, kinkajous, as the quote says, are nocturnal... so they're supposed to be trying to sleep when it's bright out. Now, if these lights were still shining brightly at night, I'd think it was cause for concern, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Parrots are forced to perform on cue and lizards are carted around in containers at the pseudo-African theme park.

No animal is ever forced to perform. They are asked. If they don't want to to a beavior, fine, that's the way it is. But they will not be starved or otherwise mistreated - they just won't receive a reinforcement at that moment. As for the lizards... well, how else are you going to transport one?!

I'm not even going to respond to the next segment, because that's just typical anti-zoo rhetoric.

Disney’s claim of conservation is absurd in a commercialized land of fake “habitats” and real rainforest mahogany souvenirs.

It's not absurd at all. Baba Dioum: "In the end, we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." 'Nuff said.

Those animals that are threatened or endangered rarely breed successfully in captivity, and fewer still will ever be released back into their native habitat.

Not true at all. Many zoos around the world are having great success breeding threatened or endangered species! There are huge programs set up that many, many zoos participate in to help foster genetic variation in endangered species. The California Condor would probably be completely extinct right now, were it not for the work that the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park have done to breed them in captivity and release them. Our Caifornia Wolf Center here in San Diego is doing the same thing wth Mexican Gray Wolves. Places like the Center for Reproduction of Endangered Species (CRES, based here at the San Diego Wild Animal Park) and the worldwide efforts in the Species Survival Plan (SSP) are very successful in their efforts!

The primary purpose of Disney’s Animal Kingdom, as with all zoos, is to generate money by putting animals on display for human entertainment, not education.

What about all those non-profit zoos out there?

Keeping animals in captivity for our amusement does not teach respect for animals and their habitat.

It fosters a love for the animals, and that love for animals is what inspires people to want to help these animals in the wild!

In 1996, Disney ignored pleas not to produce a live-animal remake of “101 Dalmatians,” because it would lead to an excess of unwanted dogs.

While it's true that that happens, can you really blame Disney for that? Honestly, the people to blame for that are those who carelessly bought a pet without proper research and planning. That's just poor pet ownership.

As you can probably tell, zoo animal welfare is an issue that I get very worked up about. I've seen it from the other side - I know how much zoo keepers care about their animals. I've seen keepers in tears when and animal in their care is gravely ill or has just passed away (for whatever reason). I find it insulting when people insinuate that this kind of animal treatment is commonplace, and I think it shows a distinct lack of knowledge about animal care in general.

And I repeat this quote: "In the end, we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught."
 

HunnyPot

Member
These types of articles are completey one sided. The author is trying to press a point that means something in their own heart and mind. I'm not advocating animal cruelty, but in our world, zoos and other centers for wild animals are necessary. There have been endangered animals who are no longer endangered due to these types of facilities. I wish more consideration was given at times, but IMO the story was somewhat misrepresented and the big picture wasn't taken into consideration. It is my hope that Disney, and ANY other Zoo (I know, it's not a Zoo) would be more careful of all their inhabitants. Just my 2 cents.
 

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