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Amorette's Patisserie announced for Disney Springs

MansionButler84

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Erin McKenna is vegan & gluten free so they are going for a different market than Sprinkles.
And yet there is a LOT new coming for Disney Springs. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain all of this long-term. Lest we forget, as of about 2010, there weren't able to maintain the Downtown Disney they had (for a variety of reasons)--lot's of shuttered locations. Can they now maintain double that real-estate long-term? Five years, sure. But, after that. After the luster of "this is new" wears off and Disney continues its history of letting things stick around for decades (I'm not trying to be judgmental; that's just how they tend to function), will everything stay in business?
 

dstrawn9889

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things 'stick around' because they dont want to level something with the P&R budget... they wait until it has to come down, then it is charged to the CapEx budget for the new structure. besides that they dont have to worry about stormwater silt runoff, mowing an empty field, --an empty field for that matter...
 

MansionButler84

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things 'stick around' because they dont want to level something with the P&R budget... they wait until it has to come down, then it is charged to the CapEx budget for the new structure. besides that they dont have to worry about stormwater silt runoff, mowing an empty field, --an empty field for that matter...
I understand that. And it makes sense for Peter Pan's Flight. It makes less sense for an entertainment and dining district. Hopefully they learned that lesson the first go-around.
 

Jon81uk

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Lest we forget, as of about 2010, there weren't able to maintain the Downtown Disney they had (for a variety of reasons)--lot's of shuttered locations
The only reason there were lots of shuttered locations in 2010 is Disney decided to get out of the nightclub business and closed Pleasure Island. They then couldn't decide what to do, announced Hyperion Wharf, it got a bad reception and they went back to not deciding what to do.
I'm sure they wanted to fill locations with 3rd party stores and restaurants, but no operators wanted to go into Hyperion Wharf. Fortunately it seems more tenants were interested in Disney Springs and they managed to fill all the restaurant spots at the Landing. Small stores at the Town Center should be easier to replace if they pull out, and the larger stores such as Coke, Uniqlo, Zara are not likely to pull out in a hurry.
 
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Mouse Detective

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The only reason there were lots of shuttered locations in 2010 is Disney decided to get out of the nightclub business and closed Pleasure Island. They then couldn't decide what to do, announced Hyperion Wharf, it got a bad reception and they went back to not deciding what to do. I'm sure they wanted to fill locations with 3rd party stores and restaurants, but no operators wanted to go into Hyperion Wharf.
The clubs closed in the Fall of 2008 and it wasn't until the Fall of 2010 that Hyperion Wharf was announced. That's 2 years of nothing. By the Spring of 2011, Hyperion Wharf was on indefinite hold. But it was not the lack of 3rd party stores that killed it, it was the places at The Boardwalk that were allegedly complaining loudly that Hyperion Wharf was duplicating what they were already doing. It wasn't until March, 2013 that Disney Springs was announced, 4-1/2 years after the clubs closed.
 

Jon81uk

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The clubs closed in the Fall of 2008 and it wasn't until the Fall of 2010 that Hyperion Wharf was announced. That's 2 years of nothing. By the Spring of 2011, Hyperion Wharf was on indefinite hold. But it was not the lack of 3rd party stores that killed it, it was the places at The Boardwalk that were allegedly complaining loudly that Hyperion Wharf was duplicating what they were already doing. It wasn't until March, 2013 that Disney Springs was announced, 4-1/2 years after the clubs closed.
The Yesterlamd article indicates that it was a lack of prospective tenants that killed Hyperion "It seemed that prospective tenants were no more interested in the property than they were before the Hyperion Wharf announcement" from http://yesterland.com/hyperwharf.html. Also why would Boardwalk have reason to complain, the clubs and bars there are mainly Disney owned & operated.

It still stands that there wasn't shuttered buildings because of commercial failure, it's because of bad planning and indecision. Disney didn't want to run Pleasure Island anymore.
 

wdwmagic

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The switch of Hyperion Wharf to Disney Springs had nothing to do with tenants. It had everything to do with Rasulo being replaced by Tom Staggs, and Staggs looking at the situation and realizing that DTD was a huge missed opportunity. A property such as WDW should be performing much better in terms of retail and dining at DTD, and he fixed that with a huge rework of Hyperion Wharf into what is now Disney Springs.
 

Mouse Detective

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The switch of Hyperion Wharf to Disney Springs had nothing to do with tenants. It had everything to do with Rasulo being replaced by Tom Staggs, and Staggs looking at the situation and realizing that DTD was a huge missed opportunity. A property such as WDW should be performing much better in terms of retail and dining at DTD, and he fixed that with a huge rework of Hyperion Wharf into what is now Disney Springs.
Love this "Tom Staggs As Hero" spin on the facts.
 
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