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PiratesMansion

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I agree with a lot of this and you make a good point about Velocicoaster. I’m warming up to the idea of a Coaster on that hill. Always thought it would be a great experience for the rider but not sure a steel coaster looping around that hill fits the vibe/theme of USH.

Here’s the thing though- FnF doesn’t translate well into theme park attractions so I wouldn’t expect a great queue. What it would be, some dark underground hideout that looks like you’re at the Mechanic?

I agree that it’s great to add ride capacity at USH and they did great that we’re not losing anything. Just wish they would hold off for something more ambitious for when Simpsons land is inevitably re themed. Imagine a coaster that went through a show building on the upper lot before launching down the hill and back. Maybe Monsters, Potter, anything sounds better than FnF.

I get the perception from someone who’s used to visiting Orlando but I don’t think this will really move the meter on its own. SLOP I don’t think does it all. But all of these additions together start to move it a little. SLOP, Super Nintendo, FnF coaster. I still feel like the park needs a lot more. Specifically non screen based family rides.
Oh the park definitely needs more. I really do think that they are slowly but surely building it out, and that's been wonderful to see.

There's a certain bigness and larger-than-life vibe that I associate with Universal (even USH), and a big flashy sleek coaster that goes up and down the hill says ludicrous and crazy to me in exactly the right way. The other thing that really sets USH apart for me is the setting, and this will absolutely contribute to enhancing that from my perspective. There's definitely a way to do it correctly and integrate it well, and I have faith that current Universal will be able to pull it off.

This may be naive, as I've never seen a FATF movie, so I'm certainly not going to be the most accurate person regarding how to use FATF in a theme park. But it is a franchise based on fast cars, right? If so, I think all you really need to do is set it up as this great race/fast car/macho bro showdown/whatever, the launch is the start of the race (or more likely the race will be "kicking into a higher gear" or some such nonsense to begin the second half), and there you go. Like the Universal version of RSR. Or West Coast Racers with Corporate Branding (TM). Probably not an amazing queue though-I imagine they'd do something similar to what Orlando has for its FATF attraction.

The Orlando comparison maybe isn't helpful in a local context, but another perception as an outsider looking in is that USH is looking to do whatever it can to convince everyone-tourists and locals alike-to pay more attention to the park. Anything they can do to further that goal and grow their market share is likely on the table. Anything that might get USH closer to being like UO-which has really been a wonder for the past decade plus and a worthy alternative destination to Disney in Florida-where USH is still largely not in the same conversation with Disneyland.

Locally, I imagine they are also having to push back against the notion that the park caters to tourists more than average in the SoCal market. I remember it wasn't that long ago that the park was offering annual passes for not much more than a one-day ticket. There still aren't that many choices compared to pretty much any of the other SoCal parks. I remember posts from various SoCal locals over the years that they pretty much only went there when people came from out of town, as they felt it either wasn't repeatable or just wasn't a good enough value for the money. It seems like you visit the park a fair amount, but do you feel there are a lot of other people who are local and do the same? Maybe the visitor demographic shift is already underway, but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed like most locals either weren't going or weren't talking about it much. At any rate, more attractions, and flashy, eye-catching attractions at that will help USH grow the local market in addition to the tourists. Sometimes the right coaster is just the ticket to set off explosive growth, and I could see such this one, in conjunction with Potter and SNW, being an underrated player in making this all come to fruition.

If nothing else, a great coaster that people want to ride over and over again is something that pretty much every other SoCal park has that USH lacks.

The park needs more family rides for sure. The problem is that family isn't really Universal's brand, and they have yet to find a satisfactory way to integrate it into the parks in any meaningful way. Even when they do something that should be a home run they find a way to muck it up (see: SLOP restraints). That's one problem area I'm not entirely sure how to solve.
 

mickEblu

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Oh the park definitely needs more. I really do think that they are slowly but surely building it out, and that's been wonderful to see.

There's a certain bigness and larger-than-life vibe that I associate with Universal (even USH), and a big flashy sleek coaster that goes up and down the hill says ludicrous and crazy to me in exactly the right way. The other thing that really sets USH apart for me is the setting, and this will absolutely contribute to enhancing that from my perspective. There's definitely a way to do it correctly and integrate it well, and I have faith that current Universal will be able to pull it off.

This may be naive, as I've never seen a FATF movie, so I'm certainly not going to be the most accurate person regarding how to use FATF in a theme park. But it is a franchise based on fast cars, right? If so, I think all you really need to do is set it up as this great race/fast car/macho bro showdown/whatever, the launch is the start of the race (or more likely the race will be "kicking into a higher gear" or some such nonsense to begin the second half), and there you go. Like the Universal version of RSR. Or West Coast Racers with Corporate Branding (TM). Probably not an amazing queue though-I imagine they'd do something similar to what Orlando has for its FATF attraction.

The Orlando comparison maybe isn't helpful in a local context, but another perception as an outsider looking in is that USH is looking to do whatever it can to convince everyone-tourists and locals alike-to pay more attention to the park. Anything they can do to further that goal and grow their market share is likely on the table. Anything that might get USH closer to being like UO-which has really been a wonder for the past decade plus and a worthy alternative destination to Disney in Florida-where USH is still largely not in the same conversation with Disneyland.

Locally, I imagine they are also having to push back against the notion that the park caters to tourists more than average in the SoCal market. I remember it wasn't that long ago that the park was offering annual passes for not much more than a one-day ticket. There still aren't that many choices compared to pretty much any of the other SoCal parks. I remember posts from various SoCal locals over the years that they pretty much only went there when people came from out of town, as they felt it either wasn't repeatable or just wasn't a good enough value for the money. It seems like you visit the park a fair amount, but do you feel there are a lot of other people who are local and do the same? Maybe the visitor demographic shift is already underway, but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed like most locals either weren't going or weren't talking about it much. At any rate, more attractions, and flashy, eye-catching attractions at that will help USH grow the local market in addition to the tourists. Sometimes the right coaster is just the ticket to set off explosive growth, and I could see such this one, in conjunction with Potter and SNW, being an underrated player in making this all come to fruition.

If nothing else, a great coaster that people want to ride over and over again is something that pretty much every other SoCal park has that USH lacks.

The park needs more family rides for sure. The problem is that family isn't really Universal's brand, and they have yet to find a satisfactory way to integrate it into the parks in any meaningful way. Even when they do something that should be a home run they find a way to muck it up (see: SLOP restraints). That's one area I'm not entirely sure how to solve.

In the Before times I went to USH about once every 5 years. I just recently became a USH annual pass holder when USH reopened after the pandemic when they were smart to reopen before Disneyland. Bought a ticket than spent a little more to upgrade to an annual pass. Went 4 times last year and then renewed only because of Super Nintendo Land as I felt a price hike might be coming. Regardless USH annual passes are cheap but I think priced accurately for what the park offers.

I don’t know any USH pass holders and unless Super Nintendo Land blows out socks off I don’t see us renewing.
 

Phroobar

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Oh the park definitely needs more. I really do think that they are slowly but surely building it out, and that's been wonderful to see.

There's a certain bigness and larger-than-life vibe that I associate with Universal (even USH), and a big flashy sleek coaster that goes up and down the hill says ludicrous and crazy to me in exactly the right way. The other thing that really sets USH apart for me is the setting, and this will absolutely contribute to enhancing that from my perspective. There's definitely a way to do it correctly and integrate it well, and I have faith that current Universal will be able to pull it off.

This may be naive, as I've never seen a FATF movie, so I'm certainly not going to be the most accurate person regarding how to use FATF in a theme park. But it is a franchise based on fast cars, right? If so, I think all you really need to do is set it up as this great race/fast car/macho bro showdown/whatever, the launch is the start of the race (or more likely the race will be "kicking into a higher gear" or some such nonsense to begin the second half), and there you go. Like the Universal version of RSR. Or West Coast Racers with Corporate Branding (TM). Probably not an amazing queue though-I imagine they'd do something similar to what Orlando has for its FATF attraction.

The Orlando comparison maybe isn't helpful in a local context, but another perception as an outsider looking in is that USH is looking to do whatever it can to convince everyone-tourists and locals alike-to pay more attention to the park. Anything they can do to further that goal and grow their market share is likely on the table. Anything that might get USH closer to being like UO-which has really been a wonder for the past decade plus and a worthy alternative destination to Disney in Florida-where USH is still largely not in the same conversation with Disneyland.

Locally, I imagine they are also having to push back against the notion that the park caters to tourists more than average in the SoCal market. I remember it wasn't that long ago that the park was offering annual passes for not much more than a one-day ticket. There still aren't that many choices compared to pretty much any of the other SoCal parks. I remember posts from various SoCal locals over the years that they pretty much only went there when people came from out of town, as they felt it either wasn't repeatable or just wasn't a good enough value for the money. It seems like you visit the park a fair amount, but do you feel there are a lot of other people who are local and do the same? Maybe the visitor demographic shift is already underway, but it wasn't that long ago that it seemed like most locals either weren't going or weren't talking about it much. At any rate, more attractions, and flashy, eye-catching attractions at that will help USH grow the local market in addition to the tourists. Sometimes the right coaster is just the ticket to set off explosive growth, and I could see such this one, in conjunction with Potter and SNW, being an underrated player in making this all come to fruition.

If nothing else, a great coaster that people want to ride over and over again is something that pretty much every other SoCal park has that USH lacks.

The park needs more family rides for sure. The problem is that family isn't really Universal's brand, and they have yet to find a satisfactory way to integrate it into the parks in any meaningful way. Even when they do something that should be a home run they find a way to muck it up (see: SLOP restraints). That's one problem area I'm not entirely sure how to solve.
This makes me wonder if it replaced the Animal Actor or Castle show buildings, what would the coaster look like from the lower lot? Would it be coming down from behind Jurassic World? If it replaced the Simpsons building, it would not be seen from below.

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PiratesMansion

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This makes me wonder if it replaced the Animal Actor or Castle show buildings, what would the coaster look like from the lower lot? Would it be coming down from behind Jurassic World? If it replaced the Simpsons building, it would not be seen from below.

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The permit mentions a coaster that would load on the upper lot, go down in front of fire station 51, and then loop around the first escalator of the starway. So think red but a bit more centrally located.
 

RescueTheDay

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Good point about retail and merchandise but I feel like these are Florida sized lands that take up too much real state in small California parks. Reminds of how Galaxy's Edge is clearly on the scale of Disney World but was thrown into Disneyland.
If I remember correctly, Galaxy’s Edge was actually designed for Disneyland.
 

Phroobar

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Something like this:

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I wonder if they will do a nose dive towards the people on the escalator and at the last minute dive underneath them.
 
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Rich Brownn

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Universal pays many of their competitors for theme park IP. They pay Disney for Simpsons and Marvel (Orlando/Japan), Warner for Potter, Paramount for Transformers, etc. They do not care who gets the licensing check as long as the attraction/land works for them and rakes it in. Springfield makes a lot of money on food/bev and the ride is very popular with guests. There is zero incentive to change it out any time soon.

These studios are all in business with each other normally anyway - they rent each other's lot space for shooting, they produce TV shows for other studios' streaming services, they buy TV shows from each other and co-produce/co-distribute TV shows/movies. All the major studios are incestuous. A NBCUni/Comcast exec would never blink an eye at having to cut a check to Disney for theme park licensing.
Warners, Paramount etc do not run a competing theme park 10 miles away.
 

waltography

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Well then why's it 1/3 the size of Disneyland? It just seems so disproportionate, especially in a smaller park.
It was definitely built with Disneyland in mind to hug the contours of the available space in Disneyland as well as smoothly transition the egresses for crowd flow in a thematically appropriate way. The reason they dedicated 14 acres to it is they thought it'd be WWoHP-level crazy busy; that didn't happen.
 

Rich Brownn

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Disney-MGM opened with the Great Movie Ride and the "Studio Tour". I guess it wasn't a theme park.
Don't be dense. Disney-MGM opened with rides, shows, attractions etc. The WB tour is just a tour. Universal/Hollywood offers shows, rides, etc. WB is still just a tour. Still apple and oranges.
 

Rich Brownn

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That doesn’t matter. They all still do business with each other.
Yes, they even use each others backlot. Doesn't mean you'll see Comcast releasing a WB film or vice versa, for example. If WB decided when the contract is up to build a Harry Potter area then that would be competition. But for now, they aren't. WB focus to the public is a tour. Universal's focus is on being a park with a tour.
 

Californian Elitist

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Yes, they even use each others backlot. Doesn't mean you'll see Comcast releasing a WB film or vice versa, for example. If WB decided when the contract is up to build a Harry Potter area then that would be competition. But for now, they aren't. WB focus to the public is a tour. Universal's focus is on being a park with a tour.
No one said they release each other’s films, though it’s not like they’ve never aired each other’s films on their own networks.

It doesn’t matter what they’re focusing on. The point is they do business with each other. That’s a fact.
 

PiratesMansion

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Yes, they even use each others backlot. Doesn't mean you'll see Comcast releasing a WB film or vice versa, for example. If WB decided when the contract is up to build a Harry Potter area then that would be competition. But for now, they aren't. WB focus to the public is a tour. Universal's focus is on being a park with a tour.
So then what are you fixating on? Disneyland? IF that's the case, it's not 10 miles away from Universal. It's 35 miles and at least an hour away (usually more) from USH.

Orlando this isn't.
 

waltography

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Someday I have to take the Warner Bros studio tour. I wish they would bring back the Halloween studio tour. It sounded fun to walk around Camp Crystal Lake by yourself.
The WB Studio Tour is a lot of fun: went for the first time for my birthday this year. Be prepared for a lot of Friends, Harry Potter, and DCEU though, as those have dedicated exhibits in the tour and comprise a good third of the experience. The soundstage/backlot portions of the tour were very much worth it in spite of the heavy presence of the aforementioned 3 properties.
 
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