News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[mickEblu]

Definitely digging the new Corless rant about this one.

Me too. Only because it’s nice to see him lose it after his awful takes on TBA and the ROA going away at MK.

 

[Professortango1]

I simple cannot agree with any of your points. Disney didn’t need to replace it, they made a choice and are rightly being roasted over it. And this idea that the show is unforgivably dated? I don’t understand that. On my most recent trip in July I spent a great deal of time in Muppets Courtyard based on its (at the time) rumoured closure. I saw the show a half dozen times and I was delighted to see kids and adults genuinely connect with it. I saw many smiling faces in the exit area and even some kids reciting jokes.

I wasn’t even born yet when this debuted in 1991, and as much as I will sorely miss this wonderful experience. I feel an even deeper shame that many of the kids of today won’t be able to experience a show that brought joy to so many because they were born too late. It’s a great shame that Muppet Vision has not been allowed to join the ranks with attractions like Peter Pan’s Flight or Jungle Cruise and be a permanent treasure to be handed down the family from generation to generation.

Movie theatre attractions don't age the same way that physical attractions do. Or even live performances do. I'm a sucker for 3-D films. I was floored when I saw Honey I Shrunk the Audience and was so excited when they brought it to the West Coast. Same with Muppet Vision and same with Tough to Be a Bug. TTBAB was always the peak 4-D Film with the integration of so many physical gags and effects, but even with that, I found myself enduring the movie aspect to experience the physical aspects again.

Muppet Vision was great when it premiered 33 years ago. That's an impressive feat for a movie theatre attraction. But whenever I go now, it just makes me sad. The Muppets deserve an attraction that feels full of life, not stuck in time and out-of-date. That's what made the Muppets work, their freshness. They felt like they were real characters interacting with the stars of today. The improvisational banter was key. With the movie, it just lost that spark for me and many friends.

Its a problem I have with DHS as a whole. Many of the attractions there I enjoyed a lot the first few times I did them, but they feel dusty now. I look at shows like Beauty and the Beast, Indiana Jones, The Little Mermaid and I remember seeing them when I was in Jr High, and here I am turning 40. And it sadly makes me not want to visit the park because the park feels so "been there, done that." There's only so many times I can watch the same play. There's a far fewer amount of times I can watch the same movie.

And, if I can be honest, Waldo is annoying. I know its intentional, but he's still annoying.

 

[celluloid]

Movie theatre attractions don't age the same way that physical attractions do. Or even live performances do. I'm a sucker for 3-D films. I was floored when I saw Honey I Shrunk the Audience and was so excited when they brought it to the West Coast. Same with Muppet Vision and same with Tough to Be a Bug. TTBAB was always the peak 4-D Film with the integration of so many physical gags and effects, but even with that, I found myself enduring the movie aspect to experience the physical aspects again.

Muppet Vision was great when it premiered 33 years ago. That's an impressive feat for a movie theatre attraction. But whenever I go now, it just makes me sad. The Muppets deserve an attraction that feels full of life, not stuck in time and out-of-date. That's what made the Muppets work, their freshness. They felt like they were real characters interacting with the stars of today. The improvisational banter was key. With the movie, it just lost that spark for me and many friends.

Its a problem I have with DHS as a whole. Many of the attractions there I enjoyed a lot the first few times I did them, but they feel dusty now. I look at shows like Beauty and the Beast, Indiana Jones, The Little Mermaid and I remember seeing them when I was in Jr High, and here I am turning 40. And it sadly makes me not want to visit the park because the park feels so "been there, done that." There's only so many times I can watch the same play. There's a far fewer amount of times I can watch the same movie.

And, if I can be honest, Waldo is annoying. I know its intentional, but he's still annoying.

I think you are underselling it a bit.
Muppet Vision has Animatronics, a variety of Special effects surrounding you and a live performance aspect.
Objectively, Star Tours, Smuggler's Run and Toy Story Mania are closer to movie only than Muppet Vision is. Obviously mickey theater is yuck.
Then of course in other parks you have a ton even larger offenders for the criteria mentioned. Mission Space, ratatouille, Film festival, Awesome Planet, Soarin, impressions, China and if open Oh Canada.
The possible Monsters show is likely to have less than Muppets' mixed media. So that will bring you the same result of your boredom faster.

 

[monothingie]

Definitely digging the new Corless rant about this one.

Me too. Only because it’s nice to see him lose it after his awful takes on TBA and the ROA going away at MK.

I guess either Disney took away Tom's free cupcakes again, and/or it's the end of the month and clicks are low, so now he'll act all upset about it.

 

[LSLS]

Because of what it’s replacing. They’re not confident that they have something as good as MuppetVision and they don’t want it to be under scrutiny yet.

But even without announcing it's taking away Muppets, why would they not say that the new land will have a theater show when they announced the land? It feels like to me that there were no plans for a show in this area, but the pushback about eliminating an attraction for all ages for a coaster hit a nerve with someone and they realized they need it. Could be totally wrong, but that's the feel I get.

 

[celluloid]

I maintain the worst part is we really don't need a full-on land the size of what Monsters is getting. Imagine having a Monsters Coaster, Harry's and then convert some of the Muppets exit into a gift shop or part of Pizza Rizzo.
And of course, the biggest slap in the face is that Animation Courtyard is garbage in aesthetics and content.

 

[ToTBellHop]

But even without announcing it's taking away Muppets, why would they not say that the new land will have a theater show when they announced the land? It feels like to me that there were no plans for a show in this area, but the pushback about eliminating an attraction for all ages for a coaster hit a nerve with someone and they realized they need it. Could be totally wrong, but that's the feel I get.

The original Muppet Courtyard art seemed to show the ride replacing MV3D while the new art pushes the ride back and shuffles other elements around.

When AC was considered, a show would have gone there. Perhaps, once they decided the added cost and 12-month delay was unacceptable for this project, they decided to take the nascent show over to MV3D and push the coaster further into the parking lot.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Someone more creative then I should come up with something new for their word bubbles.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

Could we be seeing a new renaissance of 3D/4D shows? Assuming that’s what this new Monsters thing is, there’s also been the Philharmagic update and upcoming Zootopia show. Maybe Inside Out in Imagination will be next?

 

[JohnD]

If anything the stage show is much more likely than anything else due to how cheap it is. There’s a non zero chance the rollercoaster is the phase 2 (if it’s not just a single phase, which I think it is). Disney doesn’t make the best decisions anymore so I could see them delaying the coaster and opening the rest of the land to make money while they finish

The space is already setup for a theater show, 3D in fact. I think it would take more to rip out all that equipment and replace it with a stage show. The AAs and of course an actor portraying a character (Sweetums in Muppets) would be removed. But the 3D show, new effects (currently used for multiple Waldos), and new seats would remain.

What I would love to see is a new 3D Monsters, Inc. show with keeping Statler and Waldorf riffing on the show. Would never happen but it would be great. Mike is the comedian. They could react to each other.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The space is already setup for a theater show, 3D in fact. I think it would take more to rip out all that equipment and replace it with a stage show. The AAs and of course an actor portraying a character (Sweetums in Muppets) would be removed. But the 3D show, new effects (currently used for multiple Waldos), and new seats would remain.

What I would love to see is a new 3D Monsters, Inc. show with keeping Statler and Waldorf riffing on the show. Would never happen but it would be great. Mike is the comedian. They could react to each other.

for a true, live stage show, you would need a lot of backstage area and just more depth to the space, which I have no idea if the building has that room

Definitely think the term "theater show" is being used very broadly as just being some sort of show that takes place in a theater building - just like a movie theater is a theater building. Likely it will be a new 3D/4D show if not just moving MILF over there

 

[Disstevefan1]

For the new Monsters show, they can do something with Monsters at work as seen on Disney+

Monsters at work has I think 2 seasons on Disney+

This would create synergy Disney loves synergy.

 

[Incomudro]

These forums typically skew negative anyway, but this is definitely a product of recent events. People feel betrayed at Disney for a number of reasons (price increases, new EPCOT, and Tiana chief among them) and the news of more closures doesn’t help that. I think when we get to the actual construction phase we’ll see more positivity about these projects, but for now people are mourning the closures and worried that the replacements won’t measure up.

For sure.
I was on the "Pixie Duster" side of things on this site for many years.
But how long could I remain that way in the face of evidence after evidence of downgrades, attractions that delivered a fraction of what was promised, attractions with broken elements that broke within days of opening, and remain broken today?
Add to that the heinous decision to pave over Rivers of America and place an IP on it (and IP I actually like) that isn't even the IP.

 

[Disney Maddux]

Tomorrowland won't be that dull for long. Trust the plan.

Respectfully, it feels like this has been said constantly for the past 3-4 years now and (besides Tron) there's still nothing happening in the areas that actually feel dull.

 

[Incomudro]

Movie theatre attractions don't age the same way that physical attractions do. Or even live performances do. I'm a sucker for 3-D films. I was floored when I saw Honey I Shrunk the Audience and was so excited when they brought it to the West Coast. Same with Muppet Vision and same with Tough to Be a Bug. TTBAB was always the peak 4-D Film with the integration of so many physical gags and effects, but even with that, I found myself enduring the movie aspect to experience the physical aspects again.

Muppet Vision was great when it premiered 33 years ago. That's an impressive feat for a movie theatre attraction. But whenever I go now, it just makes me sad. The Muppets deserve an attraction that feels full of life, not stuck in time and out-of-date. That's what made the Muppets work, their freshness. They felt like they were real characters interacting with the stars of today. The improvisational banter was key. With the movie, it just lost that spark for me and many friends.

Its a problem I have with DHS as a whole. Many of the attractions there I enjoyed a lot the first few times I did them, but they feel dusty now. I look at shows like Beauty and the Beast, Indiana Jones, The Little Mermaid and I remember seeing them when I was in Jr High, and here I am turning 40. And it sadly makes me not want to visit the park because the park feels so "been there, done that." There's only so many times I can watch the same play. There's a far fewer amount of times I can watch the same movie.

And, if I can be honest, Waldo is annoying. I know its intentional, but he's still annoying.

I agree with you on the point that aspects of things should be updated, while keeping the show intact.
Parts of Muppets really emphasizing the 3D are certainly dated, since 3D - much more impressive 3D - is now routine.
I've often believed that Disney should re-shoot scenes to keep them more up to date.

 

[Jrb1979]

Tomorrowland won't be that dull for long. Trust the plan.

It will probably be some IP that doesn't fit the theme of Tomorrowland. As long as it sells LLs that's all that matters

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wow, they said it in press release, it has to be true. I'm not sure how you can question anyone being skeptical about this. Boy, those droids were awesome when I was in galaxys edge. Oh wait. Disney has an exceptional record of under delivering on their projects. I'm not saying it won't come out, but there's plenty of history to say it's a definite possibility.

I said you could doubt it, so, I don't know why you're so worked up.

My post was in response to people making stuff up about a new show being only a fan concept or a phase 2 project. Those things are not true. People shouldn't be saying things that aren't true, no?

 

[erasure fan1]

I simple cannot agree with any of your points. Disney didn’t need to replace it, they made a choice and are rightly being roasted over it. And this idea that the show is unforgivably dated? I don’t understand that. On my most recent trip in July I spent a great deal of time in Muppets Courtyard based on its (at the time) rumoured closure. I saw the show a half dozen times and I was delighted to see kids and adults genuinely connect with it. I saw many smiling faces in the exit area and even some kids reciting jokes.

That is the same experience I had last summer. Granted I can't go in off times but I've never had a show where people weren't laughing and having fun. Sure the theater isn't packed all the time, it's a near 600 people theater, but I've never been in a show that was less than 40/45+% full. That's still over 200+ people a show and that's not bad in my opinion. Especially since it's not something they have to close because they are out of room.

People say it is dated but there is very little in the show that dates it.

The only big glaring issue from a dated standpoint, is the very 90s cg. Waldo especially. And that's easily fixable.

Many of the attractions there I enjoyed a lot the first few times I did them, but they feel dusty now. I look at shows like Beauty and the Beast, Indiana Jones, The Little Mermaid and I remember seeing them when I was in Jr High, and here I am turning 40.

Do you think that's the actual attraction or Disneys tendencies to let things rot? Personally I think they do the very minimum. There was a stretch in muppet vision where effects were broken for years and years. The burnout that Waldo does when he turns into a car as an example. When the quality keeps dropping, yea more people are going to lose interest.

 

[britain]

I maintain the worst part is we really don't need a full-on land the size of what Monsters is getting. Imagine having a Monsters Coaster, Harry's and then convert some of the Muppets exit into a gift shop or part of Pizza Rizzo.
And of course, the biggest slap in the face is that Animation Courtyard is garbage in aesthetics and content.

Muppets aren’t really owning that area very well. It was always obvious that it was leftover from the backlot, frozen in this “Uh, no it’s not a backlot, it really is New York now… unless it’s not,” halfway space. Adding PizzaRizzo helped, but they removed all the muppety decorations on the back buildings.

MuppetVision is a great attraction, but the “Land” is simply not very good. Monsters will more confidently OWN the land. Putting Monsters in Animation Courtyard would leave this half NY, half backlot problem unsolved.

It all makes sense as long as there’s something else in mind for AC.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

For sure.
I was on the "Pixie Duster" side of things on this site for many years.
But how long could I remain that way in the face of evidence after evidence of downgrades, attractions that delivered a fraction of what was promised, attractions with broken elements that broke within days of opening, and remain broken today?
Add to that the heinous decision to pave over Rivers of America and place an IP on it (and IP I actually like) that isn't even the IP.

To add to this, it also doesn’t help that whenever they do announce things that are set to destroy something beloved, they hold the negative information until later, typically a Friday right before the stock market closes, because god forbid their stock price take a dive. It’s all about money to these corporate stooges.