Purduevian
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Sorry, whooshed over my head! I even thought as I was typing that Splash knows that won't work!Thats my point… it was basically sarcasm meaning Disney just allows everyone access
Sorry, whooshed over my head! I even thought as I was typing that Splash knows that won't work!Thats my point… it was basically sarcasm meaning Disney just allows everyone access
Ok, I must have misunderstood Chi84’s post. I thought she was saying offering DAS to people with only certain disabilities is legally problematic, but only if it’s a mandatory program under the ADA, not a voluntary one. I wasn’t understanding why that would be the case (if something is considered discrimination legal repercussions apply to any program, I think, mandatory or voluntary.)It would mean Disney could stop offering it altogether.
I think the confusion might be because you tried to compare two completely different and unrelated situations, i.e., a monthly giveaway of some kind (a prize, or a free day or whatever) and disability accommodation.Ok, I must have misunderstood Chi84’s post. I thought she was saying offering DAS to people with only certain disabilities is legally problematic, but only if it’s a mandatory program under the ADA, not a voluntary one. I wasn’t understanding why that would be the case (if something is considered discrimination legal repercussions apply to any program, I think, mandatory or voluntary.)
Instead maybe she was saying that the ultimate end game if challenged is just to shut down the program altogether.
I think you’re correct that they’re on solid legal ground, but there may have been public relations or administrative reasons to keep the program.I think the confusion might be because you tried to compare two completely different and unrelated situations, i.e., a monthly giveaway of some kind (a prize, or a free day or whatever) and disability accommodation.
If something is offered to the general public (such as a giveaway), it would be discrimination to say "except for disabled people" (or any other protected class, for that matter).
But with the exception of where the ADA lays out specifics (how wide door must be, or that there must be ramps, etc.), how to offer accommodations is really up to the business or entity.
That's why I've believed for some time that Disney could do away with the DAS completely, and still be on solid legal ground, so long as they offered a different accommodation that met the need.
I think the confusion might be because you tried to compare two completely different and unrelated situations, i.e., a monthly giveaway of some kind (a prize, or a free day or whatever) and disability accommodation.
Disney giving out free annual passes crosses into the realm of complete fantasyI think that if the courts found virtual lines have nothing to do with the ADA, calling it a "disability accommodation" would be pretty slippery semantic territory. I guess that gets to the root of what I was asking - if the ADA says "Nope, no thanks, this has nothing to do with disability accommodations as far as we're concerned, not legally anyways", then it become something that Disney is choosing to give to parks goers with a developmental delay. So does that change the legality? Maybe a clearer example would be - could Disney say "Anyone who is deaf or hard of hearing will get a free annual pass, but only those who are deaf or hard of hearing."? Or would that be considered discriminatory?
I hear you, lol, but just trying to clarify what I was asking.Disney giving out free annual passes crosses into the realm of complete fantasy
Indeed! Haha. Even make a wish is a tax break correct?Disney giving out free annual passes crosses into the realm of complete fantasy
Your question is a good one. I’m probably overthinking this. DAS is a disability accommodation that is reasonably limited to people who have certain disabilities that cannot be accommodated in other ways. Developmental disabilities appear to fit that definition. Clearly, you’re correct that disability accommodations can’t be arbitrary.I hear you, lol, but just trying to clarify what I was asking.
Ask for the contact info and report the person. Only way to shut them down is if they are caught and banned. Will hopefully then scare others from doing it too.What im about to say is slightly off topic But to me still relevant regarding DAS etc. so i was at a party this weekend. Talking with a family friend of my GF who just came back from Disney with his wife and son. Was telling me about a “service” he paid $600 3 hours to basically “skip the lines”. It was his 1st visit and was given the number by someone else. He was pretty oblivious to how that happened and actually thought it was a legit service until i explained to him what they were probably doing. So looks like Disney still needs to crack down on what is happening…
Yea thats not gonna happen…. If Disney is too dumb still to figure this all out thats on themAsk for the contact info and report the person. Only way to shut them down is if they are caught and banned. Will hopefully then scare others from doing it too.
But it will affect all of us when they shut down DAS for good…. I’d rather them know about the people using it unethically and going after them.Yea thats not gonna happen…. If Disney is too dumb still to figure this all out thats on them
At this point altho it will hurt myself as well. I truly hope they can DAS for everyone. Free up all the LL and according to the so called experts now makes it easier to get those and the stand by que moves betterBut it will affect all of us when they shut down DAS for good…. I’d rather them know about the people using it unethically and going after them.
I guess I wouldn’t hope they get rid of something that helps other people, even if it’s not something I use.At this point altho it will hurt myself as well. I truly hope they can DAS for everyone. Free up all the LL and according to the so called experts now makes it easier to get those and the stand by que moves better
I do use it. But its clear Disney is picking & choosing who gets it. Still cant crackdown on abuse yet have miles of data on all of us. Months later people still confused bc there is no clarity or any easy access from a line. So yea lets can it allI guess I wouldn’t hope they get rid of something that helps other people, even if it’s not something I use.
If you think that’s how it should be, then don’t use it. You have that choice and sounds like it wouldn’t matter to you if it didn’t exist.I do use it. But it’s clear Disney is picking & choosing who gets it. Still cant crackdown on abuse yet have miles of data on all of us. Months later people still confused bc there is no clarity or any easy access from a line. So yea lets can it all
I think you’re correct that they’re on solid legal ground, but there may have been public relations or administrative reasons to keep the program.
People suggested that they should have changed the name of the program, but even if they replaced it with an almost identical one the headlines would have still been “Disney discontinues DAS.”
I sincerely doubt Disney wants to discontinue DAS, but it did want to significantly limit it.
The difficult part is what different accommodation would meet the need. Hypothetically, if the only accommodation that would work for a person is to skip standing in line, would Disney be required by the ADA to provide that as a reasonable accommodation given its current business model?
That seems like a smart move that should reduce wait times for the video chat since passholders requesting DAS won't have to do it as often.Walt Disney World Extends Disability Access Service (DAS) Validity Period
Walt Disney World Extends Disability Access Service (DAS) Validity Period
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