Rumor Frontierland Shootin' arcade to close and replaced with DVC Member lounge

[JoeCamel]

. The only improvement has been the menu at Pecos Bill’s.

Low bar

 

[Starship824]

I saw someone mention “New Frontierland” a few posts above. Each attraction except for BTM will be worse off than it was 4 years ago. Splash Mountain? Inferior replacement. Country Bears? Inferior replacement. TSI? Destroyed. Shooting Arcade? Replaced by a DVC lounge. The only improvement has been the menu at Pecos Bill’s. To top it all off, the beautiful view of the river will be destroyed.

I see what you mean but Country Bears is MUCH better off now than it was before the redo. You can not like the new show but they completed refurbished the theater and restored the animatronics and people have renewed interest in the show and the bears get to stick around for a while. The theater is actually full now and isn't empty like it used to be. Whether you like the new show or not it's definitely not worse off than it was.

 

[Raineman]

This version should be a little clearer:

Thank you for showing this, because most of us unwashed masses won't ever see the inside of that thing. Us peasants that only drop $5000-$10000 on WDW vacations in a year aren't good enough for this lounge.

 

[Gusey]

I saw someone mention “New Frontierland” a few posts above. Each attraction except for BTM will be worse off than it was 4 years ago. Splash Mountain? Inferior replacement. Country Bears? Inferior replacement. TSI? Destroyed. Shooting Arcade? Replaced by a DVC lounge. The only improvement has been the menu at Pecos Bill’s. To top it all off, the beautiful view of the river will be destroyed.

They said New Frontierland, not better. It's all subjective on whether or not you like the updates, but once this project is finished, Frontierland will look very different to what it did in 2022. The only thing that isn't receiving any updates seems to be Frontierland Trading Company and Pecos Bill's retheme seems to have gone very quiet

 

[Gusey]

Just spotted that this piece of concept art for Western River Expedition seems to be on the wall

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[peng]

Surprised they put a smidge of effort into this, I was expecting something along the lines of the new Fort Wilderness cabins, so at least an attempt to match the theming was a surprise. Though the bar is low at this point.

 

[Brian]

Surprised they put a smidge of effort into this, I was expecting something along the lines of the new Fort Wilderness cabins, so at least an attempt to match the theming was a surprise. Though the bar is low at this point.

Don't get too excited. Remember, EPCOT was supposed to look like this:

We'll see how the final product turns out.

 

[networkpro]

Don't get too excited. Remember, EPCOT was supposed to look like this:

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We'll see how the final product turns out.

Or your grandchildren

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Pretty dumb to assume it's only the lounge, but I mean you also get to be part of DVC, it's just a nice to have benefit to encourage sales, not just be the sole reason, not sure why how someone spends their money reflects their intelligence. They just have different priorities than you.

I also might add that A LOT of people would, wrongly, question the intelligence of people who make yearly pilgrimages to one spot in Florida instead of spending money to go other places.

Generally speaking…making stupid choices is a result of the quality of the machine making those decisions

Darwin p

 

[ToTBellHop]

Thank you for showing this, because most of us unwashed masses won't ever see the inside of that thing. Us peasants that only drop $5000-$10000 on WDW vacations in a year aren't good enough for this lounge.

If you’d like, I can FaceTime with you from inside.

 

[Raineman]

If you’d like, I can FaceTime with you from inside.

Nah. I'll be too busy begging for spare change outside of the Sunshine Tree Terrace so I can buy a Dole Whip to split amongst my whole family.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

There are people who like Tiana’s more than Splash.

There are people (like me) who think TIana’s is decent in it’s own right, and a good attraction. But better than Splash? No, I think you would really struggle to find people who have that opinion.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Getting rid of the shooting gallery for this is incredibly silly.

That being said….this is probably the most genuine Frontierland themed addition coming to the MK in a long time. The fact that the company is razing gorgeous landscapes and slapping googly eyes on cars while this space is hidden behind a paywall is…..telling.

 

[nickys]

What they need in this lounge is a shootin’ arcade…!

They could relocate them from Fort Langholm (RIP) used to aim at Big Thunder riders. Then we can take aim at the guests outside ….

 

[nickys]

Seeing people mock others for spending their money on DVC or at WDW in general then casually mentioning their own DVC ownership and frequent trips also kind of makes my head hurt.

It used to annoy me far more because I thought it painted us all in a hypocritical light. Now I just do this more (and to myself) and scroll past.

 

[tissandtully]

It used to annoy me far more because I thought it painted us all in a hypocritical light. Now I just do this more (and to myself) and scroll past.

Yeah, I know DVC gets treated as some sort of rich people thing, but it's really not? Some people just decided to spend their money that way. I will say I'm glad I got in when I did cause I don't think the value is there now at current price points unless you get it on one of the huge deals when they are desperate to make their sales goals.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I will say I'm glad I got in when I did cause I don't think the value is there now at current price points unless you get it on one of the huge deals when they are desperate to make their sales goals.

THAT is what many people have said and have tried to explain for a few years, and get yelled at, shouted down, called "haters", "complainers", et al.

 

[nickys]

THAT is what many people have said and have tried to explain for a few years, and get yelled at, shouted down, called "haters", "complainers", et al.

Usually though such posts simply state that “DVC is not worth it, blah, blah”. No mention of current price points, no mention of resale.


Such posts also often add such opinions along the lines of “it’s all a waste of money”; “you are part of the problem”; “buying DVC only encourages them to build more” and so on.


And rarely do the posters admit to being owners themselves. They may have bought years ago but I’m willing to bet that at the time there were similar detractors who thought the price wasn’t worth it.

They also ignore the fact that the current price point relative to the current cash room prices is possibly no worse than it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. Instead the posters are comparing the current prices to the prices paid by themselves 10+ years ago.

Try doing the same comparison between the price of a high end car now to 10 years ago. Is the car worth the current price?

 

[HauntedPirate]

Usually though such posts simply state that “DVC is not worth it, blah, blah”. No mention of current price points, no mention of resale.


Such posts also often add such opinions along the lines of “it’s all a waste of money”; “you are part of the problem”; “buying DVC only encourages them to build more” and so on.


And rarely do the posters admit to being owners themselves. They may have bought years ago but I’m willing to bet that at the time there were similar detractors who thought the price wasn’t worth it.

They also ignore the fact that the current price point relative to the current cash room prices is possibly no worse than it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. Instead the posters are comparing the current prices to the prices paid by themselves 10+ years ago.

Try doing the same comparison between the price of a high end car now to 10 years ago. Is the car worth the current price?

We bought into SSR in 2005 at $95/point (we got an $8/point discount, bring it down to $87/point). Current rates are $225-ish per point. I can also say that according to Birnbaum's, in 2005, the Peak rate for a room at AKL was $445/night, and as near as I can figure, a standard view, non-discounted room at AKL this year during a Peak time (week before Christmas, so not holiday pricing) is $780/night. So DVC per point prices have increased roughly 140%, whereas standard cash room prices have increased 75%. DVC rooms haven't gotten bigger, the amenities haven't gotten better than they were in 2005, but the per-point prices have outpaced cash room prices by nearly double. Resale is an entirely different discussion, with the limitations Disney has imposed.

And while I know what you're getting at, you can't compare the price increases related to cars (which are mostly technology-based these days, and comparable technology prices drop over time) with a vacation destination, it's a very apples-to-oranges comparison.

Also, if you want to throw in benefits? You and I know we used to get a discount on APs, whereas there is no discount anymore. Have they moved back to hard kitchen goods in studios or are they still doing the disposable plates, cups, and silverware? (That's actually an honest question, I haven't stayed in a studio in forever)