News Disney Lakeshore Lodge (Project 89 - Development near Fort Wilderness)

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Maybe if the remaining resorts weren't overpriced and over listed as deluxe, moderate, economy they would have greater occupancy. IMO they do take rooms out of inventory. DVCs are where the money is so that is what Disney goes after. I am not one that is thrilled with the generic high rises- as an old timer I like the old time resort theming to me that is what made Disney special
And yet, we *never* here of rooms taken out of inventory put back into inventory.

So, again, by now, there are negative ten thousand rooms available.

That's how math works.

Based on the premise.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Why are people suddenly surprised that Disney resort rooms are overpriced compared to similar accommodations at other hotels?

This is a known known for decades and decades, no?

Disney resorts can charge a premium because people are willing to pay it. For the theming. For park access. For minor park perks.

Why are people complaining now about this? It's always been this way.
 

nickys

Premium Member
DVC isn't for me but I certainly see why they are building them. I also feel if they could undo the cabins DVC they would. Just seems they were performing better as cash rooms.
They’ve only declared 60-70 cabins, and those are booking well (at 7 months). The rest are still cash inventory.

They just aren’t selling contracts.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
People keep saying it's down quarter over quarter.

And when there's no evidence of that, they say it's because Disney takes rooms out of inventory. And they say that quarter after quarter.

By now, there must be at least negative ten thousand rooms available.

Via SEC 10-K

2024 Occupancy 85% Available Room Nights 10,193
2023 Occupancy 85% Available Room Nights 10,096
2019 Occupancy 90% Available Room Nights 10,030
2018 Occupancy 88% Available Room Nights 10,045
2016 Occupancy 89% Available Room Nights 10,382
2015 Occupancy 87% Available Room Nights 10,644
2013 Occupancy 79% Available Room Nights 10,558
2012 Occupancy 81% Available Room Nights 9,850
 

Donfan

Active Member
Agree with John Park Hopper about the new cabin design. I liked the old style much better. They had a wilderness feel that isn't in the new cabins.

Also, DVC inventory seems to be being made available for cash bookings. It's getting much harder to get a DVC room, especially at my home resort.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Agree with John Park Hopper about the new cabin design. I liked the old style much better. They had a wilderness feel that isn't in the new cabins.

Also, DVC inventory seems to be being made available for cash bookings. It's getting much harder to get a DVC room, especially at my home resort.
The only cabins available for DVC booking are the declared inventory.

All the remaining cabins that are completed are available for cash bookings through Disney. Until more contracts are sold there will be lots of cabins for cash bookings.

In some cases, DVC owners are renting out points and then booking on cash, because the DVC inventory is booked up.
 

FiestaFunKid

Well-Known Member
River Country made a bit of a round on the internet as "that creepy abandoned Disney park where the music still plays and there was toxic water which may or may not have been deadly". I'm not sure if the people who know it through that outnumber the people who have fond memories, but they might not want to make a direct connection because of that.

(Not defending how bland this is inevitably going to to turn out to be.)
I agree this probably did not help the case for a RC theme. However, I think a big factor is who they have running hotel projects now. It's been talked about other places that Disney has brought in hotel industry people, responsible for vegas resorts, etc....and it feels like they are building hotels in essentially the standard industry fashion - and then adding some disney touches....rather than a cohesive theme from the ground up.

In Walt or Eisner's days, it was more important for them to be unique in this area, seeking out architects who could push the boundaries, etc...and it's easy for all of us to see the difference in the output. Again, these can be high quality, modern resorts, but not much different from what you get elsewhere.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Via SEC 10-K

2024 Occupancy 85% Available Room Nights 10,193
2023 Occupancy 85% Available Room Nights 10,096
2019 Occupancy 90% Available Room Nights 10,030
2018 Occupancy 88% Available Room Nights 10,045
2016 Occupancy 89% Available Room Nights 10,382
2015 Occupancy 87% Available Room Nights 10,644
2013 Occupancy 79% Available Room Nights 10,558
2012 Occupancy 81% Available Room Nights 9,850
You forgot the minus signs!!!
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
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Here’s some recent activity. It’s going to be very visible from Contemporary and vis versa. I prefer they build more of a buffer against Wilderness Lodge. It’s not the end of the world and mostly going to stick out from the boat dock if they don’t buffer it correctly.
 

DisneyDreamer08

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