Agent H
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Agree to disagree?
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DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater
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Agent H
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At least encanto works visually. It’s all about compromise. If I had my way they would revitalize Dino land but they want ip and I want a land that somewhat fits in animal kingdom that’s what tropical Americas is. A compromise.
Who knows... Maybe if we're lucky, in time the land will get a Phase 2 to include animals. And a Phase 3 which could see Nemo replaced with an Emperor's New Groove show. :Fingerscrossed:
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Agent H
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Sadly I feel like if they were going to include animals they would do it while the land was being initially built so it would factor into the overhead cost as for the emperors new grove show that would be a cool idea except that movie isn’t a musical.
James Alucobond
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I'm inclined to agree with @ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ as something about the scale and forced perspective feels really, really off. Also, the finishes on some of the buildings are just wrong. It's like when you see someone make a cartoon character costume completely out of shiny satin because it can replicate the flat, saturated colors of animation, but it just looks cheap in practice because real clothes aren't constructed that way.
Professortango1
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New Groove has one original song. Nemo has zero. I think that proves that an IP doesn't need to be a musical to have a stage musical version at the parks.
Advisable Joseph
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I think people here haven't actually seen Zootopia; they're going off what they've read on the Internet. Zootopia does not look like a city humans would build for themselves.
Remember what John Lasseter said at the premiere of Zootopia:
"... a movie made by animals for animals" Lasseter. (At 1:57)
And since he said it at the premiere, no, things did not obviously change
. IYKYK.Also, the show will involve people joining in a howl. If you've seen the movie, this references an important scene with wolves being wolves, not humans.
Agent H
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Oh I forgot about that okay my armchair imagineering cap is on. Maybe they could create an original plot including snuff out the light?
James Alucobond
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Even were that wholly true (which it's not; it's based on human cities with biome "flair"), it does not look like a city animals would build for themselves either. Animals don't build cities in the first place.
UNCgolf
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Exactly.
JackCH
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I mean I don’t think either of those looks great either, but they are better than Zootopia facades would be.
Advisable Joseph
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That's what we've been trying to tell you!
That would have a lot to do with the movie, unlike with Sing or Robin Hood. See the howling example from above.
The Internet is wrong about Zootopia. The Internet is wrong about a lot of things.
To reference something @ToTBellHop wrote, the new attraction wouldn't sing about the DMV, but about sloths being slow.
James Alucobond
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Who is "we"? I've suggested exactly that for as long as the franchise has been earmarked for AK as a way to possibly shoehorn it in with minimal disruption. That still doesn't make it a great fit if you basically have to have the characters commenting on a world and a reality that is not their own, and it generally negates any argument for building out a larger land in the image of Zootopia.That's what we've been trying to tell you!
I have admittedly not seen the film in quite some time, but isn't going feral essentially the result of drug-induced psychosis? Certain natural animal traits are framed as undesirable based on the human ethics and morality of the decidedly not-animal characters.
I don't know what the internet is saying about it nor do I really care. I do know what Rohde said about it relative to Animal Kingdom, and I also know that while it can be positioned to work on some level, it's always going to be a pretty extreme stretch for the sole purpose of fulfilling the IP mandate.
Disney Irish
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Is it though? To play devils advocate for a second, we don't know how animals would build cities if they were to do it. This is a fantastical interpretation of what we think animals were to build if they were to live in harmony with each other in a cityscape biome.Even were that wholly true (which it's not; it's based on human cities with biome "flair"), it does not look like a city animals would build for themselves either. Animals don't build cities in the first place.
I personally think that fits within the scope of what AK is, especially given the original Beastly Kingdom land that was planned.
James Alucobond
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That is not what AK is. While Pandora and Beastly Kingdomme (as proposed) are fantasy, they still portray their inhabitant fantasy fauna as behaving in a way consistent with the animals that do exist in our world (essentially using cryptozoological standards), and they are juxtaposed with a human presence (RDA settlers in Pandora, presumably medieval humans in Beastly) to explore the relationship between them.
Zootopia is some weird parallel dimension where, for all intents and purposes, animals don't exist. Every species is sentient and believes in human ethics, morality, social constructs, business practices, politics, etc. despite humans never having existed. It doesn't tell us anything about our relationship to animals nor about our relationship to the environment. Your statement that they live in environmental harmony via "cityscape biomes" is true, but only because the story says it is so, not because there is any real suggestion as to how people might achieve something similar. It's just magitech.
Brer Panther
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Surely there are other IPs that would fit better in Animal Kingdom than Indiana Jones and Encanto, if we HAD to use an IP or two.
ToTBellHop
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Of course, but Encanto”has” to go somewhere and it was DAK’s turn for a new land. It’s better than Cars, Villains, or Monsters Inc would be in DAK, so I do think Vaughn made lemonade out of lemons here.
Indy is a matter of convenience and Iger’s love of the franchise.
Disney Irish
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As Beastly was never fully realized we don't know what it would have entailed. So it seemingly could have included the fantastical idea of sentient animals that walk and talk like humans do.
But again playing devil advocate here, humans are animals too.
lazyboy97o
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What was developed has been known for some time. There is no evidence to support the idea that it might have taken a very dramatic turn in its conceptualization.