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Guys, I appreciate the debate very much. It's one reason I posted here, knowing full-well I'd be taking a minority position and viewed as an reactionary. I also figured I'd get some good feedback and alternate views, and I have. I'm eventually going to write a review at the blog, and...

You know, even here, the coherence of the HM never ceases to amaze me. I'm not sure any "rule" is violated. There is a noticeable difference between downstairs and upstairs. Downstairs, they're trying to unnerve you, silently making ugly faces at you as it were. When you go upstairs they...

Wilt, you're absolutely right that the "bail out" point is subjective, the point where you're asking the audience to accept too much. But there are two other problems with the theory we're entertaining here: First, you the visitor are actually told (via a question, granted) that what you are...

Interesting argument. Actually, though, my reasoning does take this kind of thing into consideration. "Bit of a stretch" and "Doesn't make much sense" mean "Not impossible, but improbable." If we go with your theory, then hey, why not go whole hog and speculate that the entire queue (and all...

If WDWGoof07 and I and Krack and some others want to exchange opinions and debate over exactly the topic of the thread, and there are evidently several board members interested and contributing to the conversation as well, but someone doesn't like it, tough darts. Goof's latest posts broke new...

I read your theory, and it's not bad, but there's one problem you need to address: inside, the ghosts are in a bad mood before they materialize and in a good mood afterwards. Incidentally, this accords with a lot of traditional ghost/spirit possession lore that the spirits are miserable while...

I was answering a specific set of questions from another board member.

I've been leaving the "show pacing" argument to others, who are making the point just fine without my help. By the time the GH speaks, you have been led slowly but surely into a creepy state of mind, so that it doesn't really jar you. The house itself, the graveyard, the howl, perhaps a...

I completely agree with you that "what Walt intended" is a useless argument most of the time. What the Imagineers who created the HM intended, however, is not so hard to divine. Marc Davis was always clear that he didn't want "stories" in these rides, only sets of experiences. And sure...

The ride simulates a visit to a haunted house, so it's called the Haunted Mansion. You need something like "Haunted" or some equivalent in the title so people know it's a spookhouse, in case they don't WANT to go on a spookhouse ride. You aren't supposed to be actually, literally surprised to...

Signs are necessary evils. You have to have a sign somewhere telling people what the thing is, and that's it right there. It is no more a part of the imaginative experience than the green EXIT signs and safety bars. You screen them out and forget them. They always try to make these signs...

Fair question, and easily answered. Because it happened in 1995 at DL, and shortly after (not sure of the year) at WDW. There was no HM fan community in 1995, because there was (practically) no Internet. If they put in the ghost harness thing today, there would be a stink because, yes, it is...

There's now a portrait of "Cousin Maude" next to the hitchhiking ghosts. It may be part of a sort of scavenger hunt for clues to the murder mystery thing. There's other artwork/junk there with the painting, as if a CRYPT would ever be used to store such things. Attic part two, or something...

You'll have to compete with my "Pepe Le Queue" tees. I know, wrong studio, but...

The whole discussion about the "optionality" of the queue as a justifying argument is academic, since it's clear that characters introduced there are going to be encountered again inside the HM. There's a portrait of "Cousin Maude" next to the HHG's, perhaps part of a sort of scavenger hunt...

Show me. I give my honest interpretations of facts. I don't say the interpretations are themselves facts. If you can find some place where I have, then I'll withdraw it with apologies. And just because it is such a nasty little devil in these kinds of conversations, I'm going to insert...

Taking it to PM's, as this is going to go further and further off topic.

Absolutely yes. What's true is true, regardless of whether or not the person who created the work you're discussing decided to talk about it somewhere. If you want, I could pull out the old Marc Davis quote to the effect that he didn't think these rides should tell stories but rather provide a...

Incredulity because argumentum ad potentiam hasn't seen much use since the 16th century.

So, if I say, "The basic concept of the ride has been changed," and give the reasons why I think so, the sufficient rebuttal is, "Show me a book published by a Disney company where someone says, 'The basic concept of the ride has been changed.' If you can, then it's a fact. If you can't, then...