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So what's the problem with the storytelling? Could it just be that all Marvel movies are essentially the same? All the heroes basically follow the same archetype? That they are running into problems by bending or adjusting the archetype in order to stay fresh and alienating one side or the...

No ... the crowds won't come. That's been well established. If we've hit the point where we are saying Marvel can't appeal to a wide audience, and instead has to either appeal to one side or the other, than we are basically making a case for no longer making Marvel movies. They've already...

Like some Oscar winners right? That's who they need to get in their Marvel movies. Only Oscar winners.

It is diversity and it is still important. The problem is still the rejection of inclusion, The desire to keep groups and people out of stories where they traditionally don't belong.

So you're saying that marketing and messaging is what sunk the movie? Not the quality of it?

Weird. I thought the whole plot of the movie was about having the courage to change your life, even when you were raised to believe it should be a certain thing. I see a lot of parallels to the struggles of middle America, where manufacturing jobs have left and life is being forced to change...

It is part of the topic at hand. Do you want Bob Iger to stay at Disney? If not, than what he said shouldn't have any meaning to you at all. Of course he does. He is human right? At this point we don't know the full extent of what he meant or how that will translate into change. He has...

What do you think should happen when the audience that spent 40+ years on the franchise dies out? Should the franchise just die out with them?

In a way, yes. I see this as saying "it's ok if they have their films over there... as long as they don't come in contact with my stories and films over here." Separate stories ARE important, but that doesn't negate the need to have inclusive stories that shows proper representation amongst many...

I agree. But I think Disney will find a way to tell the stories the creatives want, under the budgets the execs want. They won't let their talent walk out the door.

Separate but equal is not inclusive.

See above (or maybe it a different thread... they're all the same now)... he is under pressure to indicate that things can be fixed and highlighting the fact that only he can fix it now. I don't recall if you ever answered my previous question: if you do believe he is sincere in changing the...

Saying it's true doesn't equate to a call to action or even a need to act. I can point out that extreme weather is a risk to park attendance, but that doesn't mean I am going to prioritize building a dome around MK.

People are dismissing it because hot-takes like this are ignoring that people ARE still giving Disney money. Plenty of it. The parks are doing amazing business all over the globe and Disney+ subscriptions are also growing. So if people are shunning Disney, why are they only shunning the forms...

Isn't that what Strange World was about?

Change the course toward another walk out? Toward cancelled projects and A-List celebrities and showrunners heading to Netflix? Absolutely.

This is why I've been saying the comments from Iger are mostly hollow. He won't be able to control the creatives any better than Chapek did. The genie is out of the bottle.

Honestly? I think he's working to perpetuate the idea that only he can control the quality of the movies coming out. That when left unchecked by executives, creatives cannot create quality content. He's been pretty beaten down in the news, by the strikes, by the streaming transition, and...

How are you so certain that the bigger cause of this is alienation versus all the other factors facing the theater business? Is there some study or survey done? Anything that gives a figure? I think it's fair to say it played a part, but that part could be anywhere from 50% of the problem all...

Adding some figures that I found while reading another article. These numbers are from June of 2023, which was after the Elon Musk takeover of Twitter: Disney gained 44,742 new Twitter followers in the 30 days up to June 21, bringing its total to almost 10.3 million, according to the social...